Holy fuck, I thought ur last response was gonna be the worst one yet, I dont think you see the irony in what your now comparing, actually please stop

you literally just-

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alright bro💀

Thank you for letting me know I should never even take time out of my day to read a FloKa response again, you've proven to me 4 times that you cannot read, please stop responding to me ffs, the fact that u genuinely believe ur right is mind numbing.

how do you know all the "CIS players in question" lmao, also yea I said than thats fine, you can claim every CIS player ever born, but if u get all 10 slots of EMEA, we get SA, and as I said, that doesn't make EMEA look too good.

Bro you can NOT read lmao, I'm literally saying the fact that FNC won shows that they were better than the teams they played, but because of the nature of the tournament, and the way it was set up, it doesn't hold anything near as significant as an actual major.

And if the FNC games proved that they were better than their opponents, so does NA farming EU.

Not at all contradicting, I just realized that often times yall try ur absolute best to claim CIS as EU, and if thats the case we can play that game and NA can claim BR as NA... and if we do the last year hasnt looked too good for EMEA💀

Well yea, the trophy and winning it doesn't really matter does it? but the sum of games that display skill do... I'm not arguing that FNC didn't give an example of superior skill > the teams they played, im saying the fact that they win doesn't hold nearly as much significance as an actual major.

Well, I would argue this point, but I'll agree on the fact that maybe before this tournament there was no convincing win, but now we have seed 2 and 3 of americas 2-0'ing seed 3 and 4 of EMEA convincingly

Nah not people like actively dividing, its just that NA roots for NA, and SA roots for SA (most ppl I've seen at least), we should just all root for Americas collectively

Look through Sao Paulo and this event, off the top of my head NRG beat koi and giants, 100t beat FUT, EG beat heretics even when their roster was fucked up, and then EG yesterday beat FUT, and now NRG is farming one of your historically best cores

Fr, cant wait until everyone hops on board, Sa and Na both have 4 teams that could compete highly at this level, we gotta just let riot group us together so we can take over together atp.

2023 NA is 6-2 against EU, every year NA beats EU more and more, please stop living in the past and watch the game💀

We gotta stop the divide between NA and SA and just dog on EU together tbh.

Genuinely think Navi might not even beat T1 tbh, like I had them qualifying in my pickems but if that's their best map I'm not so sure.

Ban might just farm em.

yap a lot Yusuf over here huh?

A country that strictly resides in europe? What do you have a learning disability or are you just fucking stupid?

EU getting farmed by a streamer on Omen, who was the one who gave these guys a spot?💀

Fraud Region lol

"Floptic" got 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in one year, lemme know when Fraudnatic gets their first first place at a meaningful event

No EU's last win was July 24th 2022 lmao, Sao Paulo doesn't hold any relevancy unless the slot they competed for gets them a win in this tournament (it wont).

Also having one team from ur region do good doesn't make the region collectively good, the last time u won a major it was ONLY FPX, in Sao Paulo it was ONLY FNC.

Say it again for the EU ppl with learning disabilities in the back 🗣

"trophy's" dont matter, Majors matter, the only reason Sao Paulo mattered was to give ur region an advantage here, so if you win, thats what Sao Paulo was for

I'm not crying though? NA has literally just started beating EU more and more with time lmao, ur region is becoming washed up, hope to see u back here after the game tonight.

Is that including EG last night? Also yea I would agree on the principle if it wasnt only +2 though, like +2 maps of 28 different series is literally nothing, that could literally come down to one close bo5, so it doesn't solidly change the narrative, especially when a map doesn't carry nearly as much weight as a win.

EU had a golden era for 2021 and has been a one team region ever since... champs, and berlin were the last events EU as an entire region were collectively good.

Okay yea the talent thing I agree on, I guess I mean like promoted talent, you dont hear shit about a talented player in pacific so they probably will never get the recognition they deserve, and therefore might not get an opportunity to represent their region, whereas in NA, ppl know whos good and whos not all the way down to the high T3 level. Also yea, I'm not really talking about those orgs though, the general understanding is that NA owns all the most valued org's, recently every org everywhere has been going through financial problems, but firstly you'd only really here about primarily the NA ones because they're more popular, and on top of that, NA has like 3/4 of 5 of the most valued orgs.

numbers dont lie, cry elsewhere

Expected EU L

Game tonight is gonna be fire

Oh no here comes all the EU dicksuckers coming to tell me that my numbers are fake lmao

Throughout all events in 2021, 2022, and the 2023 circuit so far, if we include Sao Paulo the record is:

NA: 15

EU: 13

If we exclude Sao Paulo for all the cry baby's who will call FNC major winners, then exclude the relevance of Sao Paulo once ppl talk about how the other 9 EU teams got shit on, the record is

NA:11

Eu:11

50% excluding Sao Paulo, 53.57% leaning in favor of NA when including Sao Paulo... Soon to be 16 tonight if optic core doesn't fuck around and do that slow start shit again.

Moral of the story is, EU if you want to claim Fraudnatic as a major winner, then you also have to admit NA beats you, more than you beat them.

He's not including a braindead kickoff event, im pretty sure thats where the difference comes in

Yea once again my whole point of it being the principle of not giving a single event to NA flew over your head, also yes, it is the most competitively relevant region, I dont even wanna get into it with you about how because that's just gonna be a massive time waster.

To summarize though, most competition, most thriving T2 scene, most individual talent, most orgs, most org funding, most competitive/streamer personalities, most org profit, more competitive popularity, most viewership (at least in profitable avenues), I could go on for days but I'm tryna get this summative done and study for my exams.

Said this last night, EG > DRX, NRG > Navi, ASE > FraudUT

Was actually planning on doing this, W mysterii, imma break down the last year of EU vs NA games lmao

hell on earth is the worlds best bait fall for'er im negl, reading back on this shit after last night is hilarious to me

this is what yall arent understanding, the point is that you cant define a CIS team as Europe,

Yea I'm not arguing for the crowd though, I'm arguing for the venue and the principle. They weren't thinking "ok well since if we put it in NA it wont have a crowd anyways, we might as well just put it here". They were just placing it in other places out of personal choice. It's not "well Na didn't get an online tourney hosted here for 2 years, and a in person tourney for one" its the principle that they didn't give the most competitively relevant region a single event until 3 years in, and a lot of other shitty things Riot has been doing to make it a lil harder for NA but we dont gotta get into those because that's just a loophole of back and forth.

Yea ikik, Apac never complains abt anything, im just addressing u saying the whole "be glad its in NA this year", I would usually be glad it was in NA but unluckily its taken 3 years for them to give us one major so it feels less like a privilege and more like something that should've came a long time ago.

Nah I just deadass dont wanna read all that lmfao

About time we get champs after having no majors in NA for 3 years all while being the second most winning region, bringing the most teams and comp scene

nah it literally is the last

Speak a lot Sally huh?

Chatterbox Charlie here eh? Talk a lot Tom even... ain't readin allat lil bro

Chatterbox Charlie over here, aint readin allat lil cuh

EU dicksuckers are gonna get on my ass but I'm feeling an EG and ASE win... more confident on the ASE win, FUT looked like shit, but I am still definitely leaning towards EG going straight through.

Fakeflagging or not, he aint wrong

excruciatingly common elon musk L, Marved solos, lemme know when mako drops 35 before OT in a final

Marved solos, lemme know when Mako drops 35 in lower finals of a major without reaching OT, on omen, on haven.

Been sayin for well over a year, Ban is the fucking truth, since before he was on knights, he is the truth, the don, the goat, a gift from god to esports. Time will tell.

Using that logic, we can say an American team that has one Canadian isn't ACTUALLY a north American team, its strictly a US team because 1 person isn't significant enough to change the legitimacy? ur logic of "Well there isn't that many ppl in the Asia part so it pretty much doesn't exist" holds 0 merit when it comes to actual geography, which is the core of this conversation when your trying to argue that CIS is EU even though you've admitted its not... which really makes me think, what are you even still fucking talking about

Aint readin allat lil cuh

nah its something I already knew, I just had to get a source because your so fucking stupid that you cant compute it for yourself, and I have to give you literal visuals to perpetuate my point.