Ever since C9 changed there team right after the pre-season tournament, everybody should've knew this team had a 0% chance at Champions

Ill believe it when they make Champions in 2026

The fact this team has always showed greatness and can never make it to the international stage is wild XD

dude, you cant recover from being a pedo

100T always loses momentum. They had such a great start just to precedingly lose there map pick and lose the third map. At this rate, 100T wont make it to champs if they cant keep up good playstyle

In my opinion, VCT relegation should be a thing for all teams and here is how I believe it should work-

12 Teams per IL league
Bottom two teams starting next year will be forced to go to ascension (However, for newly added teams they get a one year free be. It doesn't matter if they're bottom 2, as long as they are a recently added team) this would give teams a year to adjust, make changes and improve there team inside of the league.

Relegation will apply to Promotion and Ascension teams (Nobody wants to see MiBr go 1-10 next year and not be relegated)

Finally, for teams that have already been in the league and win Ascension, those teams do not get that bye year as they have already been in the league and this applies to all organizations that have previously been in and IL league (Unless they change region)

If a team withdraws from an IL league, its up to the players to agree to sign to another org or be forced to get relegated out, this would mean two teams+ amount of unsigned teams

This is just my concept, some might agree, some might not, at the end of the day its just my opinion and it may not be right or wrong

hes retired

wardell

back then the players werent as developed as they are now. as good as old NRG was on paper, they were irrelative and wasnt able to master what valorant was back then

I like this idea and concept. I feel like if they have another LOCK//IN Tournament it can highlight talent at an international level and be easier as a viewer to get a glimpse into new teams, styles and players. I feel like Masters events should be 12-16 teams and champs should be 16-24 but that is just my opinion

I know how the game works, but the problem is you have to have both on the same team in order for it to work. Clearly there is a lack of fire power across the whole team, and there mental as well as strats have been down. From one of the best teams last year to a team that looks like it would be in tier 2, they're running out.

dude as good as FNS coms are, his aim is not it. it doesnt matter if you have the fucking brain of albert Einstein, if you cant aim, its a 4v5. In my opinion FNS could be an assistant or head coach

I honestly dont think FNS is the right call for NRG anymore. Theyre trying so hard to keep the OpTic core alive its not even funny anymore. They have one of the best players in the world sitting as a fucking substitute which is such a joke. The team needs a full revamp and needs to mix it up this offseason

To clarify what was said, I said this as LEV and KRU are considered LATAM teams, not SA. I was referring to the fact that most people call Brazil SA and say LEV and KRU are LATAM. In true context, there will be no Brazilian team represented.

LEV
EDG
PPR

For the first time ever, SA will not be represented at a champions event. This comes after all three of the SA teams in VCT Americas got eliminated from playoff contention. LOUD, Furia, and MiBr have all showed some of the worst talent we've seen from SA. In a shocking turn of events, it was at Masters Shanghai where we would see 0 South American teams represented in this event. Now, just a few months later, not a single South American team will represent the Brazilian flag. Out of the four years VCT Champions has existed, South America was always represented, but now, the tables have turned, North American and Latin American teams have pushed the region into even lower depths then before. Will the region be able to recover in the off season, potentially win ascensions and have a fourth represented team in VCT Americas? Only time will tell where this region will stand, but wherever it is, it has A LOT of repairing to do.

Italian region sucks while Portugal has three of the best teams throughout EMEA. This system is bullshit and riot is making the system a more ‘pay a lot of money get a spot’ type of league

So what happened to riot having up to 16 teams per IL league? Riot is making false promises, dogshit company

The one reason they are in is because they are an Indian org with a lot of supporters. The country of India is more then 1b people, so they have to have some sort representation in the league

probably one of the biggest upsets this year. I will say though, Blinn played everything by the book, they took very minimal risks in there play style and sometimes that playstyle pays off against a team that is not in the right mindset. one of the best series ive watched this year

I was watching a lot of the second map and some of the decisions by the team just didn't sit right at all. There timing was off, they left A-site open multiple times and blinn was able to abuse that same weakness over and over. They were chasing kills they shouldn't have and it was like they were more or less playing individually at times instead of as a team

2-0 what??

Could relegation solve a future problem Valorant might have and could it revive the Tier 2 Scene?

To start off, the likelihood of relegation isn't that far off. If we take a close dive to the previous systems Riot Games has used for its Valorant competitive scene, there is a lot of relegation in tier 2-3.

First, EMEA. All EMEA leagues have relegation features. Usually the bottom 2 teams from each league will be dropped down and forced to play two other teams who have been doing good and trying to get into the league. If the team loses, they are kicked out of the league.

North America has a similar system in their league, and so do many other regions like the Philippines, South America, in fact almost all of the tier 2 competitions have relegation. If tier 2 has relegation, then could it come for tier 1?

Knowing Riot Games, it is possible this might not happen however the pros of this could be enormous. First, we would see a rise in orgs to try their hardest. With the fear of being relegated down and possibly being sent to tier 2 to try all over again, it is an incentive for teams to do as much as possible to remain in tier 1, which means more competition between other orgs. With more competition, us as viewers get better games to watch.

If relegation does happen, it can combat a growing problem that could be lurking in the shadows for the mere future. That problem? A league where it doesn't matter how bad a team is but is always guaranteed to get paid as long as they do the bare minimum. One key example of this problem was shown in a league that most of us might know, The LCS.

The North American LoL region had 10 ‘competitive’ teams at its peak. Problem? Teams like Evil Geniuses, Golden Guardian, Dignitas and even Immortals haven't made any noticeable tournaments in the last few years with ten teams. These orgs sit and do nothing as they know no matter what happens, they'll always exist, and this could be a future problem with the Valorant leagues.

The fear of this happening in Valorant lingers in the background just waiting to get uncovered, however with relegation, this issue can be solved. Valorant leagues are still incredibly young. This is Riot Games second year with franchise teams, and there's only 44 teams in total. Relegation now would be unlikely, but it could happen as soon as we hit 14 teams per league.

By having 14 teams per league, the incentive to keep mixing things up will always be there, which is why relegation could easily be implemented. What's better than seeing only one of your favorite tier 2 teams get promoted? Having three. By having two relegation spots with 14 teams, and still needing to expand the leagues to 16 teams each, you’re giving smaller organizations, teams and players the chance to get into the big leagues. This would also force teams that may have been in the league for all four years to pick up the slack and keep staying on top.

This is just a thought, an idea of the imagination, but what do you guys think about it, what are your thoughts or opinions? I would love to know. For now, this is all I have to share and offer. Goodbye for now, hopefully see you guys next week.

I mean he's not wrong and I don't know what point you're trying to get across...

wheres dfm

I feel like people would want community skins then overpriced 200$ skin sets that cant be resold

sounds like a stereotype

they promised me navi stickers

and I think you argue a good point. CS2 did remove maps, some game modes however they have been adding them back with a visually better looking style to the maps. The graphics and visuals of the maps greatly improved because of it and it addition allowed them to make changes to the maps. Yes, i am comparing the two cause some argue valorant is better and some argue CS is better. Valorant revolutionized esports and may have brought it more light and I hope that it continues, but peoples comparisons between the two are drastically different in the sense that youre trying to compare old to new. this is just some opinions and facts, i respect your take

I do understand about the whole org representation and 50% proceeds, however, it took them a long time and they only made classic skins. This is just me but I feel like updates that help the pro scene doesnt necessarily help the community. I feel like riot priorities's the pro scene more then what the casuals want, which is new game modes, replay system, a more fun and enjoyable type of game that doesnt feel like a sweat fest every round

So many people have such strong opinions on both games that its just kinda dumb at this point. Im going to js state the obvious, CS has-

1. More Players
2. More Viewership
3. Community pieces implanted into the game (Stickers, Maps, Skins)
4. A market
5. More Game modes
6. Better graphics (Js my opinion)
7. A diverse community that co-exits together

Valorant has-

1. Devs who dont listen
2. Very opinionated topics
3. A huge level of complexity
4. Balancing problems
5. Cash-Grab tactics
6. Minimal representation of Esports teams
7. No Re-Play system (Its been four years bru, we got a non-binary character before a much needed system in the game)
8. A community that spreads hate (Yall argue over non binary characters, how good or bad maps are an you hate on eachother for it, its kinda petty)

At the end of the day, both games have there flaws, both games have there ups an downs, but truly if you guys still wanna argue bout which one is better, just look at everything Valve has done for CS, there community, there esports and there game, then look at valorant

thats the other thing, val will never beat CS cause CS has been out longer, has been a center point and blueprint of esports and is also a lot more welcoming

never

explain

wait, since when is TSM coming back

tf in an intra-group game

Okay, $25 per capsule per team compared to R6 which is cheaper skins and you can also equip some of the skins to EVERY gun in the game. Is riot just doing the bare minimum?

This is the first time that DRX has not made a Masters event in history.

To make this more clear, I want to make an actual thread comparing what both organizations have to bring to the table, what factors may have played into riot games decision and generally put the statistics of which ORG should have been chosen.

1. BOOM is more widely known then GE. While GE is an ORG from India which also has more then a billion people, GE hasn't really been represented at the scale that BOOM was.
2. Indonesia has very good talent and has multiple players in pacific, so it would make sense to have another Indonesia team to bring in that type of fanbase. I also don't think people realize that Indonesia is home to 273 million people, with the population nearly growing 25 million in a decade.
3. Global Esports has not been fully transparent on how many scenes they've really tapped into and have made themselves bigger then what they seem like. Global esports claims from there website, globalesports.com , that they own "12 teams" across "9 titles* (Games) yet most of there players or rosters aren't even registered into Liquidpedia or for that matter barely registered at all.

Now, overall, I do want to say that both orgs have made incredible accomplishments both individually and side by side, and I am not trying to shame the orgs, just trying to surface some light. If you're looking at this, honestly decide which organization you would rather have.

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then tell me what a org that had only one other active team "PUBG Mobile" had over a team like BOOM?

Just saying, Riot games chose a ORG who hasn't been to a single international event, barely played in any VCT and had some of the worst performances over a team with a great roster, international experience and one of the best teams APAC has ever seen. Wanna guess who???

The CEO is actually so dumb. We all expected two full seasons from riot games, but if this shit continues where they dont have two actual seasons, ill be done watching any vct

and just like that 100t season is over

Since we dont know what Vitality is on and theyre looking like Karmine Korp signing tier 4 talent, heres my vision of a rebuild for Vitality:

Drop Kicks, Cender and Destrian. Kicks is Tier 4, no need, Cender has been on the team for three years, hasnt worked out as IGL, Detrian is just dead money

Sign Jesse from Valiant. Hes been known as one of the best smoke players in tier two, but no ones taken a shot on him. Sign Juseu as flex, hes had ups and downs but is a solid flex to pick up. Sign KamyK. This kid has had the exposure to Tier 1 ever since the sub in for Fnatic, and if Fnatic is taking a shot on him, why not Vitality?? So, heres what ive come up with

-Entry- Keep RunneR, hes been doing good
-IGL/Sentinel- Sayf is easily the best option and a good fit
-Flex- Juseu
-Initiator- KamyK
-Smokes- Jesse

This is just an opinion, but is this a good one?

Should the original Soniqs team come back??

Now i know the year is just starting, and the VCT league teams are just aligning themselves up for the season, but you have to think, what happens if these teams dont do well? Well, theres a few options this riot games could do, one of them is adding a relegation system.

For teams like Sentinels, Fnatic, Liquid or Paper Rex, this shouldn't be a problem as they are great teams in there own respect, and they stride to make there teams better and better every year, but what about teams like Global Esports, 100T, or Karmine Korp?

For many watching VCT, we all make fun of these teams, why? Because they suck, they don't preform good and there absolute trolls, but if you're the owner of a multi billion dollar company, one might think that if these teams continue to be the laughing stock of the league, why not replace them with a better, stronger and more competitive team? That's what relegation could bring.

However, in order for teams to be relegated, I feel like there should be some boundaries that would have you under-
One, you obviously have had to play in the league for two years.
Two, out of the two years (four seasons) if you only have one winning season, your chances become greater
Three, you haven't made it to a LAN event in any of your seasons
Four, you haven't even made the playoffs

Those are straight-forward, right? Now the real question, will riot games make a relegation system, how would it look like or better yet, would riot games just want to keep the highest paying orgs in there pool.

With EG completely falling apart, and most likely will shut there doors permanently at the end of 2024, can they still build a team?

Likely options that could happen is brining in an older player in the scene, for example wardell. As wardell might not be the best fit for the, you have to look at what's left for EG. EG will most likely not be spending a crap load of money if there already heading for bankruptcy.

Another player they could be looking at is of course SYM. Apart of the old moist moguls roster, he could always be picked up by the organization. The only conflict would be whos the starting duelist between Wardell and Sym.

The next player to look at is more of a sentinel type player, and Aproto could be a great fit. With also having a duo from an old existing amazing team, this team could build a very strong connection.

To really round out this roster, you need an initiator player. Now with not many options to choose from, this would be a bit difficult. Im not sure if EG is willing to buy out a contract, but they could try and get tdawgg.

Either way, for EG, this could be a difficult decision on what roster they want to build, but knowing how potter constructs teams, she might look for new fresh talent that just hasn't had a big opportunity to shine on the big stage.

To get a bases of how bad I think this event will be, lets digest previous Master events. Throughout Valorants history, the lowest team count for a Masters event has been ten teams. Ever since Reykjavík in 2021, its always been twelve teams minimum, but why now is it we're seeing the lowest amount of teams in a single Masters event of eight? You mine as well just ask the eight best teams in the world to a charity tournament then have start up regional tournaments. Thirty Six teams, thirty six teams will have to wait at least a month to have a shot at going to another event. This "Two teams per region" is stupid. There's three main reasons

1. If you want you're game to compete with CS2 esports, you need more of the highest level teams playing more games, this event wont offer that
2. Out of eleven teams in a given region, only two will make it threw. One slip up, and no-no, you're out for another month
3. Riot just brought in China VCT yet only two teams will get represented on the international scale, why?

Now on top of this, people would rather watch in region events because its more entertaining. You're going to have more games to watch, which means more entertainment and more variety instead of just watching the best teams. Another reason is what about the underdog teams? Third spot usually goes to an underdog team, but with this, they'll be no real underdog team of how I see it. Finally, the most important thing, this is easily riots biggest year with VCT having new teams in the pool, and for the first Masters event, you're going to make is nearly impossible, and with having great talent and teams this year, why don't you want more of these teams in a international event? This is why I think Masters Madrid is going to be a horrid event to watch, but its just my opinion, no opinion is right or wrong, its just an idea.

I think thats fair, and thats even if EG is still in VCT next year. I think Americas has amazing talent this year and some teams really did improve a lot, but some are just as bad as last year. It'll be an interesting year