idk maybe im misremembering/tac rab is wrong, but he and others talked sm about how nrg and 100t were trying to get egs players but eg wanted to keep them so they refused to accept the offers from the other orgs

maybe this happened after riot denied eg from selling their spot?

1. g2 dropping tex and net
   • ik this would have to happen eventually, it just sucks mainly for net who grinded his way to t1 and doesnt even have a team to play for. at least tex has a team
2. c9 dropping yay and vanity
   • ik it's cuz of money but it still sucks that the players had to go through that)
3. bleed dropping crazyguy, juicy, nephh, and egoist
   • again, i know juicy and nephh were too young/had military service but that still sucks
   • egoist and crazyguy kinda got fucked over by sscary(i think)
4. x10 crit not giving their players any of the champs money
   • this one speaks for itself
5. eg keeping their roster in contract jail
   • at least ethan, demon1, boostio, and c0m got out. i feel bad for potter and jawg tho
6. t1 dropping k1ng after signing him
   • dude is an insane player and he isn't on a roster thanks to t1. i get if there was internal issues, but it sucks seeing him not on a team
7. bcj watching his team perform after he got benched
   • i wouldn't say this is scummy, but it is sad cuz dude was insane in 2022 and then he got put on an off role and couldn't perform

these are the ones i can think of off the top of my head, are there any other snake moves/orgs being scummy to their players that im forgetting about?

obv people were playing pre nerf chamber and pre nerf jett, i just think that of the people that used those agents, yay is the only one who can contest with the other players on the list who DIDN'T use the pre nerf agents

edit: oops i thought you were replying to me

cuz i like numbers😕

eg tried to sell theri SPOT, not their roster. 100t, nrg, and i think g2 all wanted the eg players but they kept on holding out until eventually g2 decided to go with leaf

READ THE THIRD LINE THAT IS IN ALL CAPS😭. I wasn't putting them in any specific order or else why the fuck would i have smoggy over f0rsaken

nah ik i meant to say that i was counting chamber as a duelist idfk why i didnt add that. if its purely duelist yay doesn't deserve to be on this list, but i was including him for his chamber

bet

eg had to blow up their roster, and they actually tried to keep them in contract jail

c9 had to cut yay and vanity cuz of money i think

lemme cook trust

ugh fair. does #10 change your mind or am i just delusional. also should cauanzin be top 5

the edgers 2-0

alr fair. who would you replace him with? or js put him in hm

just say y0y

oh crap i am braindead. would you consider shao a flex? idk why i didnt remember him for his sova and just remember seeing him on omen all the time

He’s the goat of ascent fr

Read the third line

thats fair actually. i'll put him in hm

you want glaze? ill give you glaze

-kk im bias but ill add derke to hm

• look at number 10 for my reason for having trent(also i js forgot about cauanzin)
  -johnqt should def be replaced with k1ng imo. i js couldn't think of sentinels at the time lmao
  -i was a big v1 fan so i def agree with zellsis being up there, but idk who to replace him with. maybe you could say leaf but it feels disrespectful to him cuz of how much he's had to do😭

preciate it me0wme0wk0tty

read hm. it's the same reason i didn't put cned(in addition to me forgetting about him cuz im so tired and in school)

idk how i forgot him lmao

read the third line

it's not in any specific order

i didnt realize i had chronicle twice my bad

OH SHIT LMFAO MY BAD IM SO TIRED I DIDNT NOTICE

who're your top 5?

i know i def left out players that should be on here

you're gonna kill me for saying this, but i js dont see tenz as a controller yet. yes he's only played controller and initiator, but when i think of tenz i think of jett. also at their peak, shao and chichoo were better imo.

i know fs im braindead and gonna get downvoted

but my king kangkang is flashy and funny and amazing😭(insane glaze ik)

well when i think of trent i think of that insane 180 spray transfer on fracture, that crazy clip with him on sova on ascent with all the wallbangs, etc

dude im so sorry how the fuck did i forget about them😭

tbh jing deserves to be top 5 but idk who to replace him with

also keznit is the goat but he's outshined by lack of placement yk?

damn it man i spent like 10 minutes on this post at least say y0y or something😭

ok yea, f0rsaken is the best flex by far, but you COULD say that some agents arent that hard to learn so while i think he's the best by a good amount, theres still others who are close to his level

• im probably forgetting a lot of people and im sorry in advance to the people i piss off. you can tell me who you think should be here in the comments
• im not counting chamber as a sentinel cuz we all know that mf was NOT like kj or cypher. im putting chamber as a duelist cuz y0y

THIS IS IN NO SPECIFIC ORDER BTW

duelists

1. yay(you're braindead if you think he wasn't the goat in 2022)
2. aspas
3. demon1
4. zmjjkk(shut up. im so bias idgaf)
5. zekken
   HM: 2021 tenz. im not including him on this list cuz lets be real, 2021 was just run around with no plan, cned, jinggg, derke

controllers

1. mako
2. pancada
3. marved
4. mindfreak
5. Chichoo(womp womp im bias)
   HM: karon(might be a bit too early to say he's top 5, but im bias cuz i love geng)

Sentinel

1. Less(i didnt put less as top 5 controller bc he plays viper like a sentinel more than a controller. im def open to switching chichoo and less and putting chichoo under sentinel tho)
2. K1ng
3. nats(ik i didnt put tenz for his 2021 performance, but to me nats was the first GOOD sentinel. imo he paved the way for more sentinels and like less he plays viper like a sentinel)
4. alfajer
5. suygetsu
   hm: johnqt, babyj/inspire

initiator(imo the hardest to rank bc there are so many good players)
also this is different from flex

1. crashies
2. leo
3. shao
4. stax
5. ethan
   HM: d4v4i(def should prob be in top 5 i js dont know who to replace), nobody(my king), cauanzin, trent(ong 2022 trent hit dif)

flex. i lied. this is way harder to rank

1. smoggy
2. f0rsaken
3. chronicle
4. leaf(dude has to be on this list)
5. rb

hm:
zyppan, xeppa, tenz(i guess?), zellsis

smoggy has played jett, raze, kj, breach, fade, kayo, gekko, brim all at a top level. im not arguing that he's better than f0rsaken, but he's just as versatile

also, victor has played phoenix, raze, kayo, neon, skye, kj, omen, even sage😭

I wouldn’t say it’s not close, but I can def see him being the best

I mean dude went from being the entry duelist to playing initiator and sentinel

Yes forsaken did that too, and maybe tk a higher level, but dude def needs to be up there

Also, wb victor

Smoggy

i feel like iso is just a ranked agent, not a pro play agent. deadlock is slowly getting better, but they have to buff everything else. they'll prob have to nerf the wall tho cuz that shit is massive and has sm health

remember when oxy used to be shit on and him being lft was a running joke in the entire community

wait am i tripping?? i could've sworn that he was in talks with loud to join, and he was filling in for scrims towards champs or something

I just can’t believe this is how bad they’re playing

I had them rated pretty high at the start. I thought that Khalil mw and nzr would be enough to carry. Granted I didn’t have them going to internationals, but I didn’t think they would be THIS bad

I didn’t know he played initiator

Also I didn’t say he was bad, but from what I hear, he takes control of the game and doesn’t let anyone else get kills on his team lmao

Welp he managed to go positive in a 13-3 loss😭

Edg

was I the only one that saw furia having potential when the roster was signed? I know nothing about the br scene, but seeing mw(I didn’t know about how bad of a team player he was), khalil(he looked good last year), and havoc(everyone was hyping this guy up. Wasn’t he one of the most highly anticipated players? Ik he had a contract all lined up with loud and didn’t play for the union cuz he was playing for aspas or someone during scrims). It’s honestly really sad what happened to havoc. hopefully he’ll be able to show us what the hype was about eventually

dude was deadass a nobody. someone playing for a collegiate team, but mce the goat found him

could be bait