yeah i agree but it really sucks to be a fan of the bad teams. the second half of this year in vct has been shit for me as guard didnt even make playoffs in na and order are getting blown by the higher up apac teams, i just don't want to see a repeat of last stage with order. im hoping they even get 1 more win. that would make me a bit happier. imo they have what it takes just not executing it right and making simple mistakes that throw the whole game. they have a long way to go but i believe.