factually wrong looking at rating. This has been his first year being mediocre so far. But he improved in playoffs
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factually wrong looking at rating. This has been his first year being mediocre so far. But he improved in playoffs
redgar deffo superteam lmao.
He was goat on gambit. goat on prime fnc and still goat on new FNC.
appreciate your goat
okay kiles is valorant GOAT he won champs you retahrd
Penny dropping 50 on Billy bob
The feeling that theres not nothing going on? Sure, i get that. Its boring when nothing eventful is happening.
A feeling of emptiness however is not great. Probably a sign of lack of true fullfillment in your life. The vct games serve as a distraction from that void i suppose. So you notice that always existing void when youre not distracted even though its always there.
...Or as i said you may just be bored. Idk. Answer that for yourself.
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They can try as much as they want. Once the contract is over they are in a bidding war for him since he is a free agent.
All they can do is play him for the rest of the year and hope he accepts their offer and not the others. They are not in a position to "let go of Leo" as they dont have control over him
leo recon ini sayo flex. very simple. no issue at all
i can only see Izzy, Best and Cned from the turkish options right now. So i guess it would be one of them.
Also vctscrims claiming that they were trying for Xuss but were declined by Fokus
they were early on comeback movement just recently. also they knew about the very real talks between mates and KOI over zachkappa. They definitely know a lot generally. They are maybe a bit too confident at times tbf.
In this case i have no idea
What do you think this forum is? Mini, Sliggy, Potter and Kaplan yapping on alts here or what?
Everybody is just a clueless fan here.
Be for real.
You asked me to give you the truth.
I think Leo is the greatest player of all time. I think with enough time he will reach his old level. I still think it would be a bad choice to swap him and Crashies unless they do badly at Toronto.
And even then. Vitality might pay you big money for a player who is out of contract in a few months. You might still deem it to be financially compelling to sell him before that date since they will get champs money no matter what.
Something you should ask yourself is: Why is Leo talking to Vitality since Trexx was dropped? Why is he trialing with them right now? Start from here. Either he is not getting the FNC spot or he just prefers Vitality. It is what it is
oh my god i underestimated you levels of arrongance and unemployment. Im not writing a 9 page document to argue with you. now you want to look down on me for no reason? Because you have more free time and can write a bigger paragraph than me?
No need to be so insecure about such a minor comment irmao.
on the other hand... due to champs point fnc is practically locked for champs. This however is the last chance to sell Leo. Even if Vit won EMEA it wouldnt mean much to fnc
I know, i have seen that. That was the official story they were running so far. Lets see what happens if they win Toronto. No need for him to close a door publicly unless he has to.
played very well in the past individually. Joblife had some issues after Challengers but split 1 they were really strong. His work on TQ was great too.
I think he can be a solid option for them. Not the most sexy move but can get the job done. If they sign him I'd take that as his calling style resonating well with the team in trials.
the fact that since season start they have moved closer and closer to meta comps
They said that at the beginning of the season, yes. Just like BBL did for Magnum. What exactly do you think chiwa is doing for the rest of the year? If FNC win Toronto or make finals at least theres no chance Leo returns for FNC.
They hit a home run with this roster. The saying " never change a running system" exists for a reason.
You talk so much but understand so little.
"They might not want to risk it" ???? Risk what exactly?
Their team performing worse after making a change on a winning roster.
Im not saying Leo should sub for Crashies for Toronto, but for Stage 2? I dont see why not. No matter how much "In-form" Crashies is, Leo is undeniably a much better player and if you give him some time in Stage 2 he is for sure going to be better than Crashies.
No. Nothing is for sure. Players come and go so fast in Valorant. Leo played on his prime level a full year ago. There is a complete lack of clarity in regards to his future performance. We have no recent data to support an argument in any direction. For Crashies we do. He has been stellar for FNC.
Unless you believe Leo is unable to reach Crashies' current form or better by Champs (which lets be for real he definitely is) then its totally reasonable.
This is your issue. You not basing anything on facts or logic. Youre just going off your gut feeling and dismissing the possibilty of the opposite outcome. Its not about: does Leo reach that level, yes or no. The point is Risk. Why opt for a path with an unclear outcome when you already are a top performer, the 2nd highest rated team in Toronto? By doing the Leo switch you simply open up the possibility of maybe not being a top perfomer anymore.
Besides, FNC themselves said Crashies is just subbing for Leo, so as soon as he's healthy and has time to reintegrate, its totally reasonable to assume he is going in.
They said that at the beginning of the season, yes. Just like BBL did for Magnum. What exactly do you think chiwa is doing for the rest of the year? If FNC win Toronto or make finals at least theres no chance Leo returns for FNC.
They hit a home run with this roster. The saying " never change a running system" exists for a reason.
You use the "companies" and "money" argument, do you really think FNC kept Leo in the bench and spent all this money on his recovery just to let him go like that?
What do you think "keeping him" means here buddy? Leo is contracted to FNC. They would have to pay him regardless of what they want. They cant fire him without paying him more money than just letting his contract run out would cost. So they were "stuck with him" no matter what in the worst case scenario. If FNC was lucky Leo could have come back much earlier and been an asset for them in the server. In hopes of this outcome it makes clear financial sense for them to support his recovery.
Also since they are already "stuck with him" no matter what. Whether that is on a legal basis or the terrible PR of firing a legend of the team they might as well maintain a positive relationship with him to increase the chances of him re-signing once he does get infact healthy or at least improve their reputation in the eyes of players in general and raise the attractivity of signing for the team to them.
What i meant is that Leo himself is likely attached to his ex-teamates and org for their support and would more than likely want to play with them again, i dont see how thats unreasonable to think.
From what we know he is good friends with Sayf (who might still stay there, we dont know yet) and Derke too. FNC themselves have also admitted that the team atmosphere was bad in 2024. interpret that however you will.
Also yes the players on VIT are good but if that meant anything VIT should be at Toronto shouldnt them? Good 5 players dont make a good team.
There is a difference between having good players and having a good team, yes. But you know what the funny thing is... bringing in Leo is an effort to ... you know... make a change. If Leo and the team believe that bringing in a player of his caliber and his calling qualities may result in fixing the teams structural issues then the team might drastically improve. The teams issue was bad IGLing. If theyre not outright making Leo the igl his secondary calling is quite likely an improvement compared to before.
Do you really think the safest option is going to a struggling team who is gonna pick a t2 IGL instead of the team that you know already works and can only get better with you entering?
"A struggling team" with some of the best players in the whole wide world. Their situation is very clear. Fix their bad calling style and this team can be really strong. So a T2 IGL, who is a decent player btw, might be all they need as long as the calling works. Like man... what is this judgemental attitude towards T2? Most of the best perfomers in EMEA came from T2 within the past year and a half. Also you keep trying to frame this as a choice by Leo only when FNC is a big factor too.
Lastly, there are some remaining factors at play here: Leo might want a bigger salary that Vitality is offering him. He might believe in the org Vitality for the longterm looking at Derke and Less being contracted until 2026 and Sayonara being brought in. The overall sense of ambition this org exudes at the moment. Also FNC might want to make some money off of him since this is the last chance to sell him. And since Vitality is probably quite desperate at the moment they might make a big buyout offer.
Also if I was a player of Comeback's caliber icl I'd refuse to go to NaVi, that team is doomed to fail and even if they went to champs they'd bomb out
that is just nonsense. They finished 5th-6th in EMEA. They are objectively playing well. As a duelist looking for a job youre pretty much want to join Navi right now too. Navi is looking much more promising than Gentlemates is thats for sure (before comeback joined).
"doomed to fail" what utter rubbish. They went away from their early season troll comps too late and played catchup so far. Still they made 5th-6th. Their players are doing well individually and their igl is calling well. What is doomed here???
If he wants to play and is now healthy to do so, why not just replace Crashies?
FNC is a masters contender right now and Crashies is in stellar form, their 2nd highest rated player. team chemistry also excellent right now. Leo while being the goat has been gone for over a year and its unclear in which shape he is right now. Compare to s1mple before signing to Faze.
Like there is a decent chance VIT doesnt even make it to champs, why even risk it?
You assume he even has the option to play for FNC. They might not want to risk it. Vitality has one of the most champ points total in EMEA. If they do reasonably well in stage 2 they are strongly favoured to make champs. Dont forget... They still have fucking Derke and Less. Also a very promising talent in cyvoph. If they fix the igl situation with proven T2 IgL unfake the structural issues that were the main reason for their underperformance could very well be gone.
Also i just think Leo likes FNC too much to leave especially after all the support they gave him after his health issues.
My guy... these are companies. They act with profit motive. They ditched many players in the past ruthlessly. They kept Leo because he is a extremely valuable asset with an uncertain return date. he could have been back months ago already to play. You cant know that in advance. They are not a family
Good shout. If vit actually bench him he is their last chance at greatness. But i wonder if Vit wants to strengthen their opps this late in the season
lol.... lmao. 14 year old detected
They have the same players because they signed the best ones in 2023 lmao.
they dropped doma, braveAF, magnum, enzo, mistic and even fucking Derke with no hesitation.
How on earth did they miss out on Comeback if they were gonna drop koala.... Like how can gentlemates steal him when you have much more money and a good core.
Like... with Comeback this team makes champs... but you just waited around too long i guess, you were too indecisive about your future direction...
Now who do you sign? Ardiis? Xuss? Izzy? All good players but none of them are the next kaajak. Getting someone like that could have changed the caliber of the team completely
Navi missed big on the market.
could have been watching the wind gently breeze through the leafs of trees and flowers and heal your soul
Leo is out of contract after the end of the year. If he wants to leave and they still want to make some money off him this is their last chance to sell.
Leo was talking to vitality after trexx drop and is now trialing with them. You dont do that if you arent interested.
brother... you dont seem to know the market. Sayonara was so hot of an asset that most teams were willing to make room for him no matter what. Cojo himself admitted that they lost in the fight for him despite trying their best. Vitality just made a more compelling offer.
Leo is out of contract with FNC so the chance that Leo "replaces" Sayonara next year was nonexistent. They would either play together or only Sayonara because Leo chose another team. Even then... it would be more likely that they would drop chronicle (whose contract also runs out next year anyway) then miss out on Sayonara.
they were trialing together at that time.
there like 5 proven igls. what else you gonna do? Liquid id it with nats, giants with cloudd, bbl with jampi etc. You have to try people out at some point and Leo is a great candidate for that
they need an igl fix for now. Maybe they keep him if he does well, maybe they make Leo igl. Who knows
Seems like it was a good choice to improve their roster for next year with a talent like sayonara
Everybody wants to go to Vitality now. The roster is there and big money offers are being made. Leo been showing interest since the trexx dropping. Sayo ditched fncs offer and 7 other teams offers ffor vitality
what is this comment supposed to achieve
brother Sayonara and Leo are in a different tier. If they need room for them they will make room.
Cyvoph can just main smokes no problem.
sh1n and chiwa is really fucking strong. BBL Pcific getting the lovers rock curse makes this an open race for everybody.
Purpo aint joining that team. Its trials.
only unfake has been seen a lot
they may have wanted to but BBL just played too good to bench someone
unfake is good. the igl situation alone makes them a good candidate. If Leo is on his old level then i do see a top 4 finish for them
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