Why are NaVi so underrated

I feel like they are easily top 2 EMEA

Burgers are usually not made with chicken

Good morning

Damn u gotta be getting more than 4 hours

Good morning lil bro

Go to sleep bro

How?

SEN have not done anything lol

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Bro forgot NRG crashies

He lives in the netherlands but is ethnically indian

It was a lot about firepower tho

Potter has been with EG for a long time and only found success when demon1 joined

Demon1 was the most important

Obviously we can’t conclusively say that any team is the “best” until we’ve seen them play

I’m just saying that in theory/on paper, NRG should be the best VCT Americas team

True but still

S0m is definitely the 2nd best controller

S0m is in no way overrated after the year he had

Why?

Crashies was much better in LOCK IN and Americas and they had a similar performance in Tokyo

Albeit c0m was definitely better at champs

I give crashies the edge because he has done it for longer, more consistently, and through more iterations of rosters

Bro its not impossible to learn to igl

Especially for experienced players such as the NRG players

Bruv

Zellsis had much worse stats in Americas league compared to compared

Victor also attended all LANs and played insane

In what world is Zellsis better than Victor?

There are literally 0 results/stats that can prove zellsis is better than Victor

What is your logic

Victor #3 ranked player during regular season
#8 ranked for the whole league

Victor is so clear

After reading some of these posts Victor might be the most underrated player in the world

Also ethan > sacy is self explanatory. There shouldn’t even be a debate

You are lowkey right

Developing countries can’t focus as much on esports compared to developed countries

SEN fans are less annoying overall

But the worst SEN fans are more annoying than the worst BR fans

You are ending your “argument” because you have no argument

Im just using objective analysis to come to this conclusion

Instead of telling me why I am wrong you just say “delusional” because all of the reasoning supports my claim

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Ngl offseason means next to nothing

Bro getting 4-0ed by Blg is infinitely better than not even qualifying for LAN

I can only imagine what would have happened to SEN if they played BLG

Marved ethan and demon1 are #1 Americas at their roles no questions asked

Crashies’s only competition is cauanzin and c0m and I would give him the edge because of his sheer consistency throughout the year

And there aren’t many good sentinels NA so I’ll admit Victor is second best behind less at Sentinel

It is not delusional at all to say NRG have the best players in Americas

Saying NRG is #1 Americas is justified

You could literally make a case for everyone on the team being #1 Americas at their role

What did I say exactly that was delusional?

Said nothing but facts

How?

Marved > TenZ (self explanatory)
Demon1 > Zekken (reigning world champions mvp best player itw)
Ethan > Zellsis (reigning world champion, best flash support init itw)
Crashies > sacy (was one of the best initiator players last year while sacy had a terrible year)
Victor > Johnqt (victor has had better performances against better teams. Johnqt still needs to prove himself at a tier 1 level)
Chet > Kaplan (self explanatory)

What did I say that was wrong

I use logic to back up my claims

Instead of calling me delusional say why I am wrong

And bro even you yourself said SEN is #8 americas so clearly you don’t think they are that good

Nah bro in what world is SEN better than NRG individually

NRG have 5 world champions 2 of which are reigning world champions

They also have 2 of the most consistent players in VALORANT who have made pretty much every single valorant LAN and performed

And they also have the best controller NA

SEN haven’t even qualified to a LAN in 2 years and now people are rating them above the goated players of NRG just because of an offseason tournament?

That is delusion

Tell me how SEN are better than NRG

Why is Aspas still in EU?

Tex is back in NA

The difference is that sacy and pancada had the fukl year to practice and make SEN a better team

Marved was force into the team mid season and had no time to cook

You really can’t compare the two

Marved was forced into the captain/igl role

He was never meant to start on the roster in the first place

He was done dirty by SEN

Zellsis is the main reason for SEN’s success

Before SEN had zellsis even wuth johnqt they weren’t that good

They literally lost to MxS

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C9 was different xeppa and zellsis were never the best at their roles in Na

Vanity was never a great igl

Leaf and yay were the only super team level players

If you're going to talk smack, I expect you to back it up.

Nothing wrong with that

He is right

SEN was just a bad team

He is right though

If SEN played like how they played vs PRX for the rest of the year, SEN are definitely top 3

Bro watch NRG vs BLG and tell me it was;t Ardiis's fault.

He talked so much and ultimately disappointed, whiffing shots left and right and making terrible decisions

It is just the truth

Bro do you even know what "saving face" means?

how so?

Rewatch NRG vs BLG and see

Most of the blame is on ardiis and FNS

yes

You need to analyze stats with context

Sure crashes may have been the lowest-rated player for NRG at champs but it was BECAUSE his teammates farmed more against the weak team (Zeta)

Looking at stats without context is just wrong.

And of course you resort to personal insults

You are cherry-picking so hard rn

SEN retained 3/5 players from their regular season roster yet you are saying it is unfair to analyze their regular season results. Yet, Furia only retained 2/5 players + a different coaching staff from their regular season and you are using their regular season to justify their ranking now?

Furia are a completely different team

SEN are not

It makes more sense to use SEN's regular season ranking than Furia's

Wasn;t crashies or victor's fault though

They were the two best performing players at champs

It was ardiis's fault for talking so much and not being able to back it up and FNS really messed up with his calling against BLG

very misleading statistic.

Crashies was second on the scoreboard against BLG both times

He just didn't farm against Zeta because he DIDN,T NEED TO

The truth is that ardiis was the main problem of NRG at champs

Chet is the GOAT coach

It is not "trust without logic" when you have the most experienced players with the most experienced coach on your team

Trust

NRG know what they are doing

not true and regardless of what you think about that roster, it is irrelevant because it is a completely different game right now

The fact that you need to bring up 2020 results to diminish carshies and Victor just proves how great they are

He said SEN's form is top 3.

And I don't think he is wrong tbh

If SEN can keep up their AVL form throughout the year I think they are a top 3 team for sure

FNS just stating facts

yea but it also doesn't mean he is NOT a good igl

Give my boi a chance to prove himself

If he is igl, I trust chet to groom him into a great igl

they carried a trash T1 team

And no way bro is bringing out the prehistoric 2020 VALORANT results when it is about to be 2024

2020 is irrelevant now

completely different game, completely different players

Nah bro watch the NRG comms videos

crashies actually does like half the mid-round calling

they will be fine

^ this

If the GOAT igl of VALORANT who has been playing with these players for so long believes they will be a great team with a great igl, then I believe too