your point is losing in the offseason doesn't matter, but sen (the roster that was good) never lost in the offseason, they sweeped it. this team(the one you're considering a superteam) was considered good only at the beginning of 2023, last year in the offseason no one CONSIDERED sen good. you're just making up fake narratives and your point doesn't make any sense, this was 100t's final roster, while saying that sen lost in the offseason and won a masters in vct is wrong at so many levels, they lost without their full roster and won when they had their roster.

bang left, skuba/zander options

it's not like they made hella changes, or the match was close, 100t will be better than what they are now, but for sure worse than last year

not even their roster, like pancada and dephh. are we serious, this is not like 100t's situation, you lost arguably the best na controller. not looking good broski.

sure buddy

? I'm asking how were geng unlucky, they just couldn't best sen, prx weren't even good how's that being unlucky, no teams were unlucky broski, they just faced better teams

how were geng unlucky sen demolished them
i guess you could say sen counters geng but still they lost pretty bad

offseason, only thing nrg has ever achieved!!!!!

yeah buddy, top4 last year with an upgrade, honestly 0/8

bro put lev and prx s but not sen, i think you're joking

you put wolves d, i don't think you watch china, also sorry if I was rude to you in anyway, but you're wrong about china talon and drx other than that it's respectable

bro I'm bad, doesn't make me wrong, please explain drx fpx I'm tweaking here
also don't rate chinese if you don't know anything about them trace unironically clears half the teams in your "a-tier"

ascendant, okay you might a yoru one trick immortal but you have no argument against me, did you read the fpx drx part? explain how your thinking works please

you have zero ball knowledge, talon beat a 2 week old drx where they weren't playing their roles and mako was igling, their igl is freeing literally how are you judging a team who's playing with a different igl and 2 players in wrong roles, talon sucks ass all the time, you might just be a primmie meatrider

giantx is actually good purp0 is good, this guy is oblivious, another braindead NRG glazer

read bitch
drx was 2 weeks old and talon players were playing good for the first time ever you have no ball knowledge, drx recently beat geng TALON CANT EVEN DREAM OF BEATING GENG

nrg first is just wrong honestly speaking they should be s but not the top s, because it's just one tournament
im sorry this is a dogshit tierlist, this guy rated talon better than drx
okay let me begin to make you understand how oblivious this guy is and how bad this tier list is
drx recently beat blg 26-13
blg beat wolves 3-1 EASILY LIKE THEY MANHANDLED THEM
AND WOLVES 3-0'D FPX LIKE DEMOLISHED THEM AND THIS GUY HAS FPX ABOVE DRX
YOU OBLIVIOUS MF DONT EVER MAKE TIER LISTS

i mean yes but this year it's different t1 is actually good and I'm spg biased so, maybe prx is top4 though, i don't like jingg i think he's holding them back but anyway t1 drx and geng are better

prx above drx=tierlist invalid, I skimmed through other tiers though they seem good
mibr overrated

not your tierlist, platchat put them b and below 100t fut talon and lev, and also put prx above drx IM CRYINGGGGGG LMFAO

lol midfreak is so bad, all these fans forget how bad he was in the past, comparing him to mako is insanity

i mean geng isn't top1 anymore, prx won against rrq, not counting edg since they aren't prepared, the game against geng was full of throws, prx lose to drx and t1,spg for sure.

trace is unironically a tier, they are the 2nd best team in china, also 5-6 chinese teams are pretty good I would say on the level of emea teams for sure (not even joking wolves,blg, trace, edg,fpx are really good)

you say zeek is good therefore your baits are bad

yeah i mean that's fair, but it's not correct in anyway, if I had to judge prx based on the offseason, I would say they're not even in top 6 pacific, lost to geng lost to drx will lose to t1,dfm, zeta, spg but historical results say otherwise, you do you though

shanks chat is racist, they don't know or care about valorant, they just want to make fun of people, which I can understand how that can be enjoyable, and this was probably a joke, i think they just make fun of sym all the time, it was ironic and sarcastic

yes we saw that nrg has consistently failed to give results and while they are good now with a new roster you cannot say they are better than anyone until you see that in the regular season, or atleast wait till soop, sen was a masters winning team with and theoretical upgrade, they should be S tier regardless until if they suck in the regular season

remember everyone is trying to get different things done in the offseason, teams like t1 and nrg are trying to win and get their much needed confidence, geng is regrouping and trying create a new identity, sen is changing roles, drx are changing team dynamics and igls and trying roles, fnatic is wasting their potential and time by playing with other players instead of their roster, eg was trying to gauge their level (said by potter), g2 is transitioning from a slow team to a team which can switch up their pace quickly, you can see they are in the site at 1:20, so it's not a very good sample size to judge, atleast not one tournament, wait till soop I would say.

they were good without the neon meta too, sure dambi is insane on neon but he isn't even top 3 on his team, let's see though i think korea dominates this year as always

yeah biased mf, NRG had one good tournament in the offseason which is basically all they do and an upgraded masters winning team is worse than them, polish bias goes crazy huh

offseason buddy, sen were trying shit like how are we saying NRG is good and sen is bad based on one offseason tournament, atleast wait for soop, sen were top4 last year and the roster is an upgrade, now it's all theory, but NRG is know for creating good roster and losing everything, like if you're biased say so

i mean you guys are na watchers only, im buying their stocks early, let's see prx sucks rrq ehh geng is on a downfall, meteor best player, talon sucks ass, who else? you'll see, francis will be probably be the best igl in pacific this year, yes better than munchkin or atleast equally good, persia top 3 smokes after mako karon

who do you think is better than them? talon a is diabolical they will be top6 in pacific at most, let's see at soop though

nope they too good you will see drx t1 spg geng will be top4.

nah I checked both the threads rn

spg are going to be top3 pacific, they will own everyone.
persia ivy francis too good

plat chat are truly plats, overrating prx who are not even top4 pacific and underrating drx which MARK MY WORDS will be the best pacific team, also geng should be A considering meteor was their best player (real and true check shangai stats, every single round the guy has impact, texture is close but meteor clears)

kanyefan why did you say sen is not S tier? may I know the reasoning, they were top 4 last year and this year's team is a upgrade? so idk the reasoning, also why should NRG be s tier based on 1 offseason tournament which could easily have been honey moon, let's atleast wait till soop no? or are you just biased?

it's friday, then saturday, lowkey the idea of a weekend is more joyful then the weekend itself

monesy and donk clear primmie

foxy9 will do that, lakia was pretty good except for couple of matches

NRG is not better than g2

Notting Hill

nobody else is going to upvote this my guy

spawned with an upvote, self upvoting?

sorry i forgot about canada, mb. canadians come too.

are you staying up for the Pacific games? im not sleeping till 1 am anyway so im gonna watch the geng drx fpx games (best teams present anyway).

hypocrite, you don't even have an argument, as duelist what value are you providing with your util if you can't entry and kill people, space is better created by pick off the site anchors, other you are useless utilwise and are just living off of initiator util. retard show me his "thanos number" that you said he had. LMAO

i feel like since narrate is so good at fade, he'll play fade zellsis gekko john viper bang brim on bind

pearl kj is better

you got the inside info damn