Hot take | VLR.gg

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Shahz is the most important player on SEN

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sheahhhh

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not a hot take, its either tenz or shaz

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feelsbadboaster

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Only a hot take because vlr users hate shahzam for no reason

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JustEnjoying

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Like every other majority of people they hate. Like I said in an other thread, these mfs have a mob mentality and think it's cool to hate cuz that opposite person rubbed them off in way they don't like

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davmg

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there's the IBP thing, he's got alot of haters from that lol

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feelsbadboaster

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Yeah but that was 8 years ago. If you were in that situation, you would probably want forgiveness

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davmg

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true tbf

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JustEnjoying

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What even happened, can someone explain in detail?

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feelsbadboaster

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Tldr shahzam and some others matchfixed a game in CSGO, but shahz was never banned for it so people hate him 8 years later

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JustEnjoying

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But shahzam was never involved in matchfixing, i saw multiple people saying that. He only knew about the fix and his dms got leaked of him talking about it. I only know this much or is this wrong?

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feelsbadboaster

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Yeah that's more what I meant. It still counts as matchfixing if you're in on it and don't tell valve

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davmg

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feelsbadboaster explained it but here it is in detail:

5 players in the ibuypower CSGO team were exposed for matchfixing (betting against themselves and then throwing, more specifically) and some chat logs leaked to journalists, showing Shahz talking to someone about the matchfixed match. The general consensus is that Shahz ratted them out (he knew and was talking abt it to other ppl).

the IBP roster (matchfixers) was:

steel (now on T1)
dazed (retired (actually used to be on T1 for a lil bit))
azk (retired)
swag/brax (used to be on T1)
skadoodle (used to be on T1)

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JustEnjoying

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Ok so ur telling me people hate shahz cuz he ratted out a matchfix? Whats the logic in that

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feelsbadboaster

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He didn't directly rat it out to valve, he only talked about it to other people, causing an investigation

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JustEnjoying

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Ah i see thank you very much to take some time to explain

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he was betting against them too because he knew they were matchfixing so he made money out of them and ratted them out after

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JustEnjoying

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Now thats some fked up shit.
Thanks for explaining tho

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davmg

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he talked about it to someone who leaked it, basically people say he should've kept his mouth shut or he should've got punished for being in on it

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JustEnjoying

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Nah tbh he shouldnt have been banned cuz he was never directly involved and its also a good thing the dms got leaked cuz the cheaters got exposed cuz of that. BUT the betting thing the other guy mentioned is a very questionable thing.
Either way thank u for explaining

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Bronze-Smurf

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He bet on it and earned money and then ratted out bro

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thatpower

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shahzam got a lot of hate on vlr because of how he called everyone stream snipers bringing his fanbase to harass them. I think disliking shahz for this is justified.

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feelsbadboaster

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are you mistaking him for jasonr kekw

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rishu004

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lulllllllll

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Andrew412

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shaz lookings like rat and hes on sen so i hate him but its not deep hate just like dislike jokingily

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feelsbadboaster

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Agreed, but people don't have anything better to do
Meant to reply to justenjoying

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delusional_sentinels_fan1

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Another hot take: SicK is more of an x factor for SEN than TenZ is.

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armeena

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I agree but i feel like ever since tenz came on the roster instead of everyone fragging out and helping each other they're basing around tenz and and helping him get the ideal situation for kills. Which works only when tenz isn't whiffing and as a consequence is constraining sick and shaz's duelist potential.

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so true, the thing that made SEN so good in iceland was their unpredictability in agent picks where teams wouldnt know whether tenz was gonna be on reyna or jett, shahz maybe on sova or jett and sick on skye or pho.
Now just seems everyone is playing for TenZ rather than playing as a team

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xDillan

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Agreed. He has transitioned into a top tier fragging support igl.

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jamie2899

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Criminal lack of mentions for Sick in this thread, one of the most versatile and consistent players in NA

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KyLZi

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As IGL yeah for sure. He is also a really good fragger. But I would say his igling is more important than his ability to get kills. If Sick or Tenz is not hitting then he has to.

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justboy

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i mean he is

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kristof

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streaming is more important for shahz

#29

ShadowisBAD

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and hating is more important than living ur life for u
no wonder ur parents hate u
lulz

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Vividogre

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TSM are a T1 team