Sacy vs Caunzin : An objective take

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NexusNomad

A lot of people believe sacy is better than caunzin because he won a trophy. This posts purpose is to prove it wrong

Aim: Caunzin
Utility: Caunzin, his sova on ascent and skye on bind is straight up perfection.
HS%: Caunzin
Spray transfer: Caunzin, unlike sacy who crouch spams with a phantom caunzin is pretty good.
Clutch rate: Caunzin, scay has one clutch in 2 maps and all of it is crouch spamming or enemies with lower hp.
Agent pool: Caunzin plays all initiator at highest level unlike sacy who can't play any agent other than sova at the highest level.

It's true that sacy has a Champions and a masters but having a trophy doesn't make the person a top 3/5 player in their role because at the end of the day its a team game.

To conclude I'd like to say in my opinion Caunzin not only clears sacy but I'd go one step further and put him as the best initiator in the world currently.

Thoughts?

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Asuna_Yuuki

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True

#3

tsmsobadholy

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Cauanzin defo better individually

#4

ionlyHave1Zuni

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Who tf believes in that? cauanzin is 18 and already better than all of initiators rn

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NexusNomad

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I said that Caunzin deserves to be in top 5 initiator instead of sacy in another thread and got down voted

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SelectSense

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because cauanzin deserves to be in top 1

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Liwus

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and Tuyz is also better than Pancada.

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NexusNomad

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Idk about that pancada was incredible in 2022 and looked mid on sentinels in sentinel role in 2023. And has hardly played in 2024.
So I wouldn't agree or disagree to this. If he returns to tier 1 I could come to a conclusion tho

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milflover92

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I agree, but about the "best initiator in the world" thing. What about Leo?

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cboomer

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Usually the best players can get their team to internationals.. idk tho

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milflover92

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idk man... A lot of talent stays under the radar or gets misused (see: 2023 Global Esports) because of outside factors that the player can't control. And we already know Leo is an incredible initiator (2 world champion titles), so missing one tournament doesn't mean he's ass now and that he's not in the conversation anymore. He's probably still goated imo. We'll just have to wait and see cause this format is ass :)

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cboomer

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zekken was a top 3 entry all of 2022 and during 2023 got shaded because his team wasn’t at events

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uwukitten

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"top 3 entry 2022" in what world? zyppan, victor, aspas and even rb/buzz cleared him

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cboomer

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think context is key, better entry doesnt mean better player. w

whos a better entry is entirely opinion based though and i'm gonna maintain that atleast at copenhagen and champs 22 he was top 3, stats lack context so theres really no debating here

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endless1

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zekken was a top 3 entry all of 2022

think context is key, better entry doesnt mean better player

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cboomer

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yeah hes better at entrying than everyone but aspas and victor 2022 imo doesnt mean he was a better player

zyppan rb did other things and buzz entrying isnt really strong (his pathings didnt look as clean as zekkens i fear)

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NexusNomad

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Leo is fine too but i know i sound like a hater when I say this but I feel his sova shock dart kills are lucky and so are some of his clutches. I do understand he is an extremely methodical player and also fnatic has a boring playstyle which makes him look extremely boring too watch. Watching caunzin is so fun not only because of him being an extremely good player but also because of his teammates who are extremely talented and fun to watch.

But I'd like to add that I do feel Leo is a top 3 initiator and could be the best since it looks like I'm a bit biased.

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s0cy

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anyth1ng

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shut the FUCK up.

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Average_NA_fan

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why gotta be so rude

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Cromawarrior48

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leo owns both

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xSlqme

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blud really said "objective" then said "in my opinion" at the end

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lorenzopajaroFC

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Bro couldn’t even learn how to type cauanzin before making this post