SEN Roles

Should be hard-pressed to dislike Tenz on Jett, but what are they getting out of the pick now?

Then there's their Fracture setup. Sure they took the map, but it doesn't look convincing. It's been said before, but Dapr is just not the right pick for Chamber. I think their Fracture setup could work quite well with
Tenz - Chamber
Shahz - Astra
Dapr - Breach
Sick - Raze
Zombs - Viper

I keep wondering how they decided their current roles. I don't know if Shahz has looked good on Breach yet. Breach seems to fit Dapr's agent pool so much better than Chamber.

You do understand that if a team decides to try a new comp they have to prac a lot more , how do you expect sentinels to do that

Tenz is not an one trick OPer bruh...
(I mean his play style)

The Jett pick opens up so much more space than the Reyna or chamber for Tenz which would be the 2 alternatives, I'm guessing that's why

for Shazam he doesn't really care who he's playing, He's less of an agent player and more of an Aimer.

Idk why dapr is on chamber, seems useless judging half the time he can't match other people who play chamber or duelists, he'd probs be better on a sentinel or initiator

ZoldyK [#2]

You do understand that if a team decides to try a new comp they have to prac a lot more , how do you expect sentinels to do that

Yeah you're right, it's just their job

ZoldyK [#2]

You do understand that if a team decides to try a new comp they have to prac a lot more , how do you expect sentinels to do that

Sentinels have said they haven't even practiced for vct this year.

Another thing quoting what Jasonr said is that "NA will fall off a lot more because most teams have typical "Streamers" which care more about streaming than actually playing"

Shaz on astra is def going to be a troll.
Put shaz on chamber and dapr on initiator and we good.

Tenz - Chamber
zombs - Astra
ShahZam - Breach
Sick - Raze
dapr - Viper
this would work better imo

bonkbonk [#4]

The Jett pick opens up so much more space than the Reyna or chamber for Tenz which would be the 2 alternatives, I'm guessing that's why

for Shazam he doesn't really care who he's playing, He's less of an agent player and more of an Aimer.

Idk why dapr is on chamber, seems useless judging half the time he can't match other people who play chamber or duelists, he'd probs be better on a sentinel or initiator

The open space argument is clear, but at least Bind it didn't look like they were accomplishing much there. Optic didn't seem to have much trouble creating space with Viper, Astra, and Raze. Do we think this is just a difference in playstyle - SEN defense being more laidback compared to Optic's aggressive positioning? Or is the space Jett is creating in this lineup just not cutting it?

bonkbonk [#6]

Sentinels have said they haven't even practiced for vct this year.

Another thing quoting what Jasonr said is that "NA will fall off a lot more because most teams have typical "Streamers" which care more about streaming than actually playing"

Forgot my /s
Still, that's such a strange take. It seems clear from their recent matches that they need to switch some things around.

ciro [#8]

Tenz - Chamber
zombs - Astra
ShahZam - Breach
Sick - Raze
dapr - Viper
this would work better imo

this is what I always thought would work best for them too.

Edit: man put Shahzam on Astra :0

Riizwan19xx [#7]

Shaz on astra is def going to be a troll.
Put shaz on chamber and dapr on initiator and we good.

Why do you think it would be a troll?
I do think Dapr to Breach is probably the first thing they need to change.

_remehdise [#11]

this is what I always thought would work best for them too.

Edit: man put Shahzam on Astra :0

I don't see the Shahz Breach pick as being that strong. Zombs played quite well on Viper on Fracture, but Dapr Viper and zombs on Astra aligns with their other maps, too.

What is the argument against Shahz on Astra?

recipea [#13]

I don't see the Shahz Breach pick as being that strong. Zombs played quite well on Viper on Fracture, but Dapr Viper and zombs on Astra aligns with their other maps, too.

What is the argument against Shahz on Astra?

I dont see dapr on breach being effective, he has never played initiator before (apart from sova on icebox and that was not good)

ciro [#14]

I dont see dapr on breach being effective, he has never played initiator before (apart from sova on icebox and that was not good)

I think there's an argument to be made for the Breach pick as a slower initiator, too. His util can be used at a fine range on Fracture, so Dapr would be able to play util then drop back to his sort of Sentinel role.

recipea [#5]

Yeah you're right, it's just their job

Wait they are pro and not streamers?

recipea [#9]

The open space argument is clear, but at least Bind it didn't look like they were accomplishing much there. Optic didn't seem to have much trouble creating space with Viper, Astra, and Raze. Do we think this is just a difference in playstyle - SEN defense being more laidback compared to Optic's aggressive positioning? Or is the space Jett is creating in this lineup just not cutting it?

Well, for Bind particularly, It's one of those maps where if u have a good setup, Like Optic, People struggle to get onto site let alone u needing to retake. (That's why Optic and SEN are so strong on it
For the jett pick, It's frankly quite useless on Bind apart from B site, and even so if tenz dies, There's little chance of that getting traded out, since the person is probably backsite, (Therefore he opened up literally 0 space and there was enough rotations to hold site anyway because rotations)
Optic hold 1 Elbow 1 somewhere like spawn or right side of site (From atk side) and 1 back and 2 a, possible 2 a 2 b and 1 spawn for rotations, and it's honestly quite simple, Bind is more of a gamesense map than a aim map, u need to play properly, aim can't just carry u imo.

Astra is overpowered on either side of Bind because of the suck, the possibility to just stop a push with a single piece of util is insane, With Viper there's insanely defensive walls u can use on A and good 1 ways on A, It sometimes makes A completely null and void if there's a good viper in the game (https://clips.twitch.tv/FrigidBeautifulBobaRaccAttack-jpA946BeIb6ZfXvN example of how overpowered viper can be on bind if u have a good viper)
With Raze she is so overpowered again because of the util, Bind is a map where u need to push after u get picks, if u have astra on 1 site and raze on the other u can completely hold up pushes until your entire team has rotated, that's why it's so defensive sided imo (Why u need to push just after u get picks is because if u don't u will get util stalled for like 5 centuries)

Shaz used to be a primary op idk why he doesn’t go chamber

I think that they should do

Jett - Raze
Chamber - Shaz
Breach - Sick
Viper - Dapr
Astra - Zombs

bonkbonk [#18]

Well, for Bind particularly, It's one of those maps where if u have a good setup, Like Optic, People struggle to get onto site let alone u needing to retake. (That's why Optic and SEN are so strong on it
For the jett pick, It's frankly quite useless on Bind apart from B site, and even so if tenz dies, There's little chance of that getting traded out, since the person is probably backsite, (Therefore he opened up literally 0 space and there was enough rotations to hold site anyway because rotations)
Optic hold 1 Elbow 1 somewhere like spawn or right side of site (From atk side) and 1 back and 2 a, possible 2 a 2 b and 1 spawn for rotations, and it's honestly quite simple, Bind is more of a gamesense map than a aim map, u need to play properly, aim can't just carry u imo.

Astra is overpowered on either side of Bind because of the suck, the possibility to just stop a push with a single piece of util is insane, With Viper there's insanely defensive walls u can use on A and good 1 ways on A, It sometimes makes A completely null and void if there's a good viper in the game (https://clips.twitch.tv/FrigidBeautifulBobaRaccAttack-jpA946BeIb6ZfXvN example of how overpowered viper can be on bind if u have a good viper)
With Raze she is so overpowered again because of the util, Bind is a map where u need to push after u get picks, if u have astra on 1 site and raze on the other u can completely hold up pushes until your entire team has rotated, that's why it's so defensive sided imo (Why u need to push just after u get picks is because if u don't u will get util stalled for like 5 centuries)

Yeah, I would agree with pretty much all you've got here. Really just reinforces though that Jett just isn't a good pick here. We saw Optic take site with what they had while SEN just couldn't make it work.

recipea [#20]

Yeah, I would agree with pretty much all you've got here. Really just reinforces though that Jett just isn't a good pick here. We saw Optic take site with what they had while SEN just couldn't make it work.

I don't think the latest match was very fair tbh, both teams weren't equal, Optic were very clearly aiming better and tbh i feel like recently Tenz has been really overrated since everyone knows how to counter him now tbh, which is just by confusing him most of the time, he can aim well but he can't aim at someone behind him, if he got fair fights he is a good player but pro league isn't about fair fights it's about forcing the fights into your corner, and Tenz just doesn't fit into that box i don't think

bonkbonk [#21]

I don't think the latest match was very fair tbh, both teams weren't equal, Optic were very clearly aiming better and tbh i feel like recently Tenz has been really overrated since everyone knows how to counter him now tbh, which is just by confusing him most of the time, he can aim well but he can't aim at someone behind him, if he got fair fights he is a good player but pro league isn't about fair fights it's about forcing the fights into your corner, and Tenz just doesn't fit into that box i don't think

I think that's an entirely different conversation, though.
I agree Optic was clearly aiming better, but I'm looking to consider the team comp and strategies over individual gunfights.

recipea [#13]

I don't see the Shahz Breach pick as being that strong. Zombs played quite well on Viper on Fracture, but Dapr Viper and zombs on Astra aligns with their other maps, too.

What is the argument against Shahz on Astra?

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recipea [#13]

I don't see the Shahz Breach pick as being that strong. Zombs played quite well on Viper on Fracture, but Dapr Viper and zombs on Astra aligns with their other maps, too.

What is the argument against Shahz on Astra?

Because they have literally 3 other people who can play Astra and cannot play other agents that shazam can, It'd just not really be a good idea, I think shazam should stop playing and become a coach, I feel like with someone like shazam as a coach another team would be insanely good because he honestly seems to be really good at advising and helping anyone no matter their situation in the game, i feel like u can bring a horse to water but u cannot make it drink, (which is the situation right now with Sentinels) if shazam found a team (the horse) which then ended up drinking they could end up being very strong as long as the individuals in it are good, At the end of the day, It'd be up to him however

bonkbonk [#24]

Because they have literally 3 other people who can play Astra and cannot play other agents that shazam can, It'd just not really be a good idea, I think shazam should stop playing and become a coach, I feel like with someone like shazam as a coach another team would be insanely good because he honestly seems to be really good at advising and helping anyone no matter their situation in the game, i feel like u can bring a horse to water but u cannot make it drink, (which is the situation right now with Sentinels) if shazam found a team (the horse) which then ended up drinking they could end up being very strong as long as the individuals in it are good, At the end of the day, It'd be up to him however

I think 3 other people is a stretch. Sick isn't that great at Astra, and they aren't running anything else here that no one else can play.