KC Potential | VLR.gg

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KiwiJuice

If they don't throw, they will make champs. crazy high ceiling, very low floor.

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normal KC

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this mff elite stupid, just swinging randomly

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that's our DA, blue blue blue...

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an elite duelist would elevate their floor ngl

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KiwiJuice

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Marteen is defininetly not the problem

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he is clearly the weak link, not good enough compared or high potential compared to actual world class duelists

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Have you watched a single KC game this year? Elite has been a shell of himself the entire year.

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looola

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I have watched every game from EMEA since the start of the season, thats why I can say that Elite has been slowly getting his form back and looks like a way more functional player than marteen who is just average, even if Elite is playing bad u see the potential but marteen is just not that highly skilled and he just fools diamonds into thinking he has insane mechanics because he is a high sens ex fornite player who does a really flashy flick once in a while

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goat1594

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1.31 KD, 245ACS, 160ADR in Stage 1 is average too you?

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looola

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statiscal outlier over 5 games btw, hasnt been able to replicate this ever again and doesnt pass the eye test either, it also speaks volumes as to how average he is that a life gaming stage 1 on duelist for him is only 245ACS and 160 ADR, 160 ADR isnt even that good for a life gaming duelist

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I mean that's fair it is a small sample size, but I think it's also unfair say Elite is also back because he performed well during online qualifiers for EWC. Both players have a lot to prove this split.

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goat1594

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ok he just went insane lol fairs

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looola

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holy fuck he just farmed

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goat1594

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yeah that was nuts, don't get me wrong I'm a believer in the guy he was a beast last year just want to see him be more consistent. I'm also not a HUGE marteen believer but I just thought he showed a lot in Split 1

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Congo1

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He improved since ewc quals. He is good now

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Do I really have to keep reminding people that marteen had a top 10 acs in the world stage 1?

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Aquemini

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He is mechanically cracked but he needs to work a lot on his decision making. Same thing with kamyk, great aim/util but 0 brain

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looola

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mechanically average compared to other duelists

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he has one of the best mechs in emea, by far the best flicking and its not close, best player in emea group stage 1 for a reason

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looola

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just not true lmao

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you can always upgrade with tier 2 talent, SkRossi is available for example

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Too bad they already have Saadhak as an import already

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kajaak (woot) marteen top 3 duelist EMEA by far

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looola

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marteen top 3 duelists EMEA haahahaha, he is not even better than the guy in your academy team bro

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faloxxl

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2380/vct-2025-emea-stage-1
top 2 rating, top 2 kd in a losing team

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looola

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now show ewc, ewc qualifiers, 2024 and kickoff, and its not even about stats but just the eye test, he doesnt pass it for duelists

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arvk08at

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hes the only player who made it to 25 kc roster cuz he was the 2nd best to narrate, some of the shit he was doing in 2025 kickoff and stage 1 was crazy, stuff not other duelists cud do, without the help other duelists get, thats the eye test

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not a big achievement considering sh1n and tomaszy are struggling in tier 2 and magnum is by far the worst player in BBL, "stuff not other duelists cud do" simply not true and again it was an outlier statiscal performance, if you think he passes the eye test you are just not knowledgeable enough about valorant mechanics so I wont discuss any further

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mate just dodging the arguement, some of the flicks i see its definitely top tier, also u cant call the majority 2025 stats as an outlier. Also yes it is true because marteen plays on a very high sense so a lot of his flicks which u would have missed can only be done by him, he also has a very good yoru, and again hes also revered by a lot of other pro players who will know more about mechanics than u on vlr, FOR HIS MECHANICS. Also KC would have dropped him if he was average, hes also their best player by far. and for the stats part, he also had good stats for all of 2024 on a shitter team.

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looola

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everyone can flick and flicking is like tits in a woman, if u can flick really well its a huge plus but when it comes to mechanics its just not that important compared to good micro adjustments, having good movement and understanding how to use your own movement to aim, crosshairplacement and just positioning

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looola

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pro players dont neccesarily know anything about mechanics, most of them just brute forced their way into being good but they have no actual understanding of the mechanics themselves and some of them are just clueless, KC will drop him eventually and dont worry about what pros say, they never say the truth in front of a camera lmfao, u are delusional if you think they say someone is bad publicly

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looola

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sorry but as someone who actually plays with and against pros in ranked every week unlike 99% of vlr and isnt diamond peak I can asure you that I might not be Leo but marteen is a huge litmus test for talent ID

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Kaajak
Derke
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Comeback
Marteen

That i could see

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faloxxl

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after the split we can rank comeback imo but yeah can be top 3 easily

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marteen is not better than xeus, lewn or miniboo lol

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He is better than lewn and xeus. Miniboo is arguable

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looola

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even marteen would laugh at this statement

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looola

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so are we gonna pretend he is the best player itw because he farmed some bum teams in the group stages like miniboo? that was literally life gaming from him, that was an outlier performance and not the norm, he was trash for 90% of last season, kickoff, ewc qualifier, ewc event and now stage 2 but according to you guys he is world class because he had a good streak of 5 games in no pressure games against mid teams

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Nobody said he was world class lil bro

I said his stats were top 10 itw atp

Also who the fuck would replace him?

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looola

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"I said his stats were top 10 itw atp" over a 5 match sample? that was an outlier performance way above the norm for him, u guys are putting this guy in top5 emea conversations and pretending he isnt the next one in the chopping block for next year

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h4nrys1ckk

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Because… he isn’t? If anything it’s elite

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looola

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delulu if u think that, just watch at how this dog is playing, elite has been getting better throughout the season and we all can see his potential but marteen is just mid as a duelist, could be a good smokes player tho

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MrHyphon

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They need to actually learn something from the scrims they do

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Kc never play clean. So many individual mistakes despite playing together for so long.

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goat1594

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Meet Potential Team!

Makes LANs? NO
Win games? NO
Run good comps? NO
"They just need to not throw"
"Let saadhak cook"
"Marteen just needs to be more consistent"

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Anguibok

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EWC not being a LAN explain why EMEA did good, we didn't play with 200 ping

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looola

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the marteen cope is insane, easy way to spot plats

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kazuuuuuuu

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bro they are taking advantaged of an exhausted team, they dont have any juice left, all of it have been squeezed out already in toronto and ewc

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KiwiJuice

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shut up

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lmao why? you dont have anything to fight back so you choose to reply with a shut up?