Top 5 teams in entire Asia

For me it is:

1. Vision Strikers (I think they are undoubtedly number 1 in Asia)
   X10,PRX and Team Secret( You can keep them in any order accordingly for 2nd,3rd and 4th position)
2. Nuturn or Crazy Racoons( It's really hard for me to decide)
   What are your picks ?

PS: Don't include Russian teams

1.GAMBIT ESPORTS
2 Vision
3 nu
4 prx
5 team secret

1.vision strikers

2. PRX
3. X10
4. Nuturn
5. CR

thenutoriousPRO [#3]

1.vision strikers

2. PRX
3. X10
4. Nuturn
5. CR

there's no way of knowing if X10 have fallen off

thenutoriousPRO [#3]

1.vision strikers

2. PRX
3. X10
4. Nuturn
5. CR

Nuturn has never been worse than X10 ever

CR beats X10 now even tho X10 was better 6 months ago

wtfrawruwusussybakauwuwuw [#2]

1.GAMBIT ESPORTS
2 Vision
3 nu
4 prx
5 team secret

wat is teaam secret

1- VS
2- NU
3- PRX
4- CR
5- TNL

This is my ranking with heavy bias. Once PRX plays NU this list will be more defined.

KoreanOverlord [#5]

Nuturn has never been worse than X10 ever

CR beats X10 now even tho X10 was better 6 months ago

How come CR beats X10 ?

1. VS
2. PRX/NU
3. NU/PRX
4. TS
5. CR

wdym bro chinese team Tales of Eastern ftw Kekw

KoreanOverlord [#7]

1- VS
2- NU
3- PRX
4- CR
5- TNL

This is my ranking with heavy bias. Once PRX plays NU this list will be more defined.

From your list it's practically saying that Team Secret and X10 are not the true representation of SEA.

Sussy_Cat [#9]

How come CR beats X10 ?

because since 6 months japan region has sucked up so much of Korea's talent and leveled up their entire region while CR stayed on top

and they added fisker, ade by replacing their worst players zepher and rion

meanwhile X10 hasnt played with patipan forever and their recent results without him are bad

HardStuckGold [#11]

wdym bro chinese team Tales of Eastern ftw Kekw

China is a mystery, both IRL and in game KEKW

Sussy_Cat [#14]

China is a mystery, both IRL and in game KEKW

KEKW

valvenq [#12]

From your list it's practically saying that Team Secret and X10 are not the true representation of SEA.

I really dont think they are, secret might be hiding strats because of champions but still losing to onic g and louvre you cant be the best SEA team

PRX was just formed in challengers 1 but if they formed earlier they would have more points than Secret

And recent PRX form is best with jing on team

KoreanOverlord [#16]

I really dont think they are, secret might be hiding strats because of champions but still losing to onic g and louvre you cant be the best SEA team

PRX was just formed in challengers 1 but if they formed earlier they would have more points than Secret

And recent PRX form is best with jing on team

Exactly. I totally agree.

PRX vs NU will be an interesting match to watch, GL, may the best team win.

Sussy_Cat [#14]

China is a mystery, both IRL and in game KEKW

imagine china join next year and just stomp everyone lol, but most likely not.

Next Year is gonna be fun with the inclusion of Chinese Teams ; Imo x10 should not be taken into consideration as they have not played a tourney since long and they are not playing with their star player currently (Patiphan)

KoreanOverlord [#16]

I really dont think they are, secret might be hiding strats because of champions but still losing to onic g and louvre you cant be the best SEA team

PRX was just formed in challengers 1 but if they formed earlier they would have more points than Secret

And recent PRX form is best with jing on team

PRX is better than TS right now realistically speaking, it's a shame NU and PRX are both battling for the last spot of APAC LCQ. Wish KR and SEA has its own LCQ, but it's only year 1 and I hope Riot makes adjustments for the future events.

KoreanOverlord [#13]

because since 6 months japan region has sucked up so much of Korea's talent and leveled up their entire region while CR stayed on top

and they added fisker, ade by replacing their worst players zepher and rion

meanwhile X10 hasnt played with patipan forever and their recent results without him are bad

I won't say their recent performance without Patiphan was that bad defienetly with Patiphan they could have been much better ( might not even drop a single map in Sea stage3 group stage). But still they draw all 3 matches, I feel sad that they used a bug against Galaxy Racers and due to which they failed to qualify for Playoffs :(

1. VS
2. NU
3. PRX
4. TS
5. ZETA

Sussy_Cat [#21]

I won't say their recent performance without Patiphan was that bad defienetly with Patiphan they could have been much better ( might not even drop a single map in Sea stage3 group stage). But still they draw all 3 matches, I feel sad that they used a bug against Galaxy Racers and due to which they failed to qualify for Playoffs :(

And yeah, I am really impressed by CR's recent performance but on paper they never defeated X10.

Ullyr [#18]

imagine china join next year and just stomp everyone lol, but most likely not.

https://www.vlr.gg/event/279/douyu-bie-zhuang-cup-winter/playoffs

not happening, and their region didnt get better faster than other regions since then because the game didnt release yet

1. VS
2. PRX
3. TS
4. NU
5. CR

makuuun7357 [#22]

1. VS
2. NU
3. PRX
4. TS
5. ZETA

current CR and NTH are in way better form than zeta, Im curious to see how their rebuild will go

Fyujin [#20]

PRX is better than TS right now realistically speaking, it's a shame NU and PRX are both battling for the last spot of APAC LCQ. Wish KR and SEA has its own LCQ, but it's only year 1 and I hope Riot makes adjustments for the future events.

Yeah unfortunately we will only be able to see either PRX or NU in champions this year :(
Unless Nth gains some Super human Anime Powers and defeat both of them, but I think that's pretty unlikely to happen.

Crapycat [#19]

Next Year is gonna be fun with the inclusion of Chinese Teams ; Imo x10 should not be taken into consideration as they have not played a tourney since long and they are not playing with their star player currently (Patiphan)

next year I predict this

Japan will become much stronger

Korea will fall off a bit but still stay strong

SEA will become slightly better

China teams will be like a mid tier SEA scene

As a whole tho I think APAC will become equal to NA, game is growing super fast in the east (already surpassed NA playerbase), and if EU csgo scene switches it will be something like EMEA > NA = APAC and if EU csgo scene rejects valorant than NA = APAC > EU

Vision Strikers alone raised the bar of Korean Valorant scene to really high extent.

KoreanOverlord [#26]

current CR and NTH are in way better form than zeta, Im curious to see how their rebuild will go

For me Its like
CR=ZETA>=NTH

I don't think NTH is better that ZETA(still very close.)
ZETA is very strong with 5 vs 5, but they became really weak when it goes like 2 vs 2 or 1 vs 1.(especially vs ace jett player, such as seoldom and heat.) I think this is why they can't beat VK or KRU in Berlin.
ZETA needs a strong duelist in order to win to other region's teams.

1. VS
2. PRX
3. NU
4. TS
5. X10

makuuun7357 [#22]

1. VS
2. NU
3. PRX
4. TS
5. ZETA

Gonna need to see who's going to replace TakeJ first tho but Overall CR = Zeta
Slightly bias since i'm CR Fans

makuuun7357 [#30]

For me Its like
CR=ZETA>=NTH

I don't think NTH is better that ZETA(still very close.)
ZETA is very strong with 5 vs 5, but they became really weak when it goes like 2 vs 2 or 1 vs 1.(especially vs ace jett player, such as seoldom and heat.) I think this is why they can't beat VK or KRU in Berlin.
ZETA needs a strong duelist in order to win to other region's teams.

I think Zeta fucked up by not picking up Something, Gangpin, or Fisker because those were the 3 most talented duelist in Japan that I can think of

like what other duelist on the market rn can be as good as those 3?

I'm gonna Exclude X10 cause they played with Stand-In in Challengers 3 and TS since they lost to Onic G & Louvre in KJC Inv

1. VS
   2-3. NU/PRX (Need to wait for their Match)
2. CR
3. Nth

We dont know how well X10 currently rn cause they're not playing as good as in Iceland and also they play without Pati in SEA Challengers 3
Bren > PRX but PRX have Jinggg now and TS doesnt play that good in KJC idk if they're saving strat or what cause they're losing against Onic G & Louvre
We gonna see it in Champions for both of this team and i hope they deliver their fans hype

KoreanOverlord [#33]

I think Zeta fucked up by not picking up Something, Gangpin, or Fisker because those were the 3 most talented duelist in Japan that I can think of

like what other duelist on the market rn can be as good as those 3?

Dep from Reject

Tira [#34]

I'm gonna Exclude X10 cause they played with Stand-In in Challengers 3 and TS since they lost to Onic G & Louvre in KJC Inv

1. VS
   2-3. NU/PRX (Need to wait for their Match)
2. CR
3. Nth

We dont know how well X10 currently rn cause they're not playing as good as in Iceland and also they play without Pati in SEA Challengers 3
Bren > PRX but PRX have Jinggg now and TS doesnt play that good in KJC idk if they're saving strat or what cause they're losing against Onic G & Louvre
We gonna see it in Champions for both of this team and i hope they deliver their fans hype

this is basically my list, except I think TNL can beat NTH

the f4q loss stings but remember when F4Q barely beat DK 2-1 TNL comfortably beat DK 2-0 in the same tournament, they just unfortunately had to face VS but before that people were saying TNL were better than Nuturn in scrims

Tira [#34]

I'm gonna Exclude X10 cause they played with Stand-In in Challengers 3 and TS since they lost to Onic G & Louvre in KJC Inv

1. VS
   2-3. NU/PRX (Need to wait for their Match)
2. CR
3. Nth

We dont know how well X10 currently rn cause they're not playing as good as in Iceland and also they play without Pati in SEA Challengers 3
Bren > PRX but PRX have Jinggg now and TS doesnt play that good in KJC idk if they're saving strat or what cause they're losing against Onic G & Louvre
We gonna see it in Champions for both of this team and i hope they deliver their fans hype

Yeah PRX with Jinggg is really looking strong, they might be number 1 with their current roaster and I think that wright now PRX has the strongest gun power in SEA.

KoreanOverlord [#36]

this is basically my list, except I think TNL can beat NTH

the f4q loss stings but remember when F4Q barely beat DK 2-1 TNL comfortably beat DK 2-0 in the same tournament, they just unfortunately had to face VS but before that people were saying TNL were better than Nuturn in scrims

Scrim result just don't count

Tira [#35]

Dep from Reject

idk chief, hes good but I dont know if hes the answer to zetas problems

I class him around the same tier as bazzi aka good but not worldclass, when you need someone like munchkin instead

but I feel like the chance that dep joins zeta is pretty high and who knows dep could level up insanely on a different team

1 - VS
2 - PRX
3 - NU
4 - CR
5 - TNL

X10 and TS are too hard to rate atm so I’m just going with safe picks

1. VS
2. PRX
3. NU
4. CR

I haven't really followed TS much unfortunately to make an opinion of them, but I think PRX currently are a notch above them. shiba was a massive weak link, and they fixed it, Jingg's looking really scary rn, and forsaken can still frag out heavily even on agents like Sova and Kayo. They're probably a notch higher rn.

As for NU vs PRX, we've to wait till the finals.

latex [#41]

1. VS
2. PRX
3. NU
4. CR

I haven't really followed TS much unfortunately to make an opinion of them, but I think PRX currently are a notch above them. shiba was a massive weak link, and they fixed it, Jingg's looking really scary rn, and forsaken can still frag out heavily even on agents like Sova and Kayo. They're probably a notch higher rn.

As for NU vs PRX, we've to wait till the finals.

yeah these 4 teams are definitely at the top full consensus

after that it becomes a clusterfuck because of lack of international tournaments

Sussy_Cat [#23]

And yeah, I am really impressed by CR's recent performance but on paper they never defeated X10.

Both of them have different teams basically now. The fact that the new x10 couldn't even get out of a group which consists Baam, Boom and GXR racing is embarassing.

1. Vision Strikers
2. Nuturn
3. Paper Rex
4. X10
5. Team Secret

Clear top 3 are VS, NU and PRX. The last two is probably a toss up between Secret, CR, x10 and FS.
I do see a lot of potential in ONIC and uWu though and I think they would be able to challenge for that last two spot pretty soon.

ABitDeluded [#45]

Clear top 3 are VS, NU and PRX. The last two is probably a toss up between Secret, CR, x10 and FS.
I do see a lot of potential in ONIC and uWu though and I think they would be able to challenge for that last two spot pretty soon.

I personally disagree, I think VS are the clear top 1, top 2/3 are tossup between PRX and NU, and 4 is locked for CR

The 5th could be TS, TNL or NTH

Did you see how good NTH looked vs F4Q? They might even be able to beat PRX, I see them losing 1-2 to really close series

can you imagine X10 going the distance with current PRX? Not at all imo, while NTH TNL and TS all could

KoreanOverlord [#46]

I personally disagree, I think VS are the clear top 1, top 2/3 are tossup between PRX and NU, and 4 is locked for CR

The 5th could be TS, TNL or NTH

Did you see how good NTH looked vs F4Q? They might even be able to beat PRX, I see them losing 1-2 to really close series

can you imagine X10 going the distance with current PRX? Not at all imo, while NTH TNL and TS all could

NTH & TNL Could
But if TS play like they did in KJC Inv then it's not even close man, somehow they didnt play like they did in Challengers 3 Final

Tira [#47]

NTH & TNL Could
But if TS play like they did in KJC Inv then it's not even close man, somehow they didnt play like they did in Challengers 3 Final

yeah no with current form I dont think TS could either lol but I want to be respectful to the pinoy fans, historically prx and TS has been close so I give them the benefit of doubt

KoreanOverlord [#46]

I personally disagree, I think VS are the clear top 1, top 2/3 are tossup between PRX and NU, and 4 is locked for CR

The 5th could be TS, TNL or NTH

Did you see how good NTH looked vs F4Q? They might even be able to beat PRX, I see them losing 1-2 to really close series

can you imagine X10 going the distance with current PRX? Not at all imo, while NTH TNL and TS all could

All good, opinion differs and I think you know better than me about KR scene.

I say VS and PRX was pretty close last time they duke it out, so I wouldn't say they're clear ngl. On another day, I could see PRX beating VS.
As someone who watch the JP scene closely I don't agree that CR is locked at 4th, they're at the same level with Secret, and I can see x10 (with Pati) and FS going toe to toe with them if they were to play against each other. That's why they're in the same bracket of level.

I think NTH are in for a rude awakening when they play against PRX. F4Q was just bad in their last game, but they're a streaming team, so I don't expect much, their training/scrim is probably not as rigid as an actual professional team.

KoreanOverlord [#48]

yeah no with current form I dont think TS could either lol but I want to be respectful to the pinoy fans, historically prx and TS has been close so I give them the benefit of doubt

No hate for them to was really hoping to see them in Berlin but Management f**k up
I remember their fans saying Bren is Sentinels of SEA forgotting X10 & PRX who goes toe to toe against them

Overhyping isnt a good thing, i know they're good but if people overhyping them like crazy it's going to be heart breaking and worse becoming a meme when they lost

ABitDeluded [#43]

Both of them have different teams basically now. The fact that the new x10 couldn't even get out of a group which consists Baam, Boom and GXR racing is embarassing.

Idk much about GXR but BAAM and BOOM were really looking strong,BAAM even took Bren to Overtime and that's not an easy task for any team in Sea

ABitDeluded [#49]

All good, opinion differs and I think you know better than me about KR scene.

I say VS and PRX was pretty close last time they duke it out, so I wouldn't say they're clear ngl. On another day, I could see PRX beating VS.
As someone who watch the JP scene closely I don't agree that CR is locked at 4th, they're at the same level with Secret, and I can see x10 (with Pati) and FS going toe to toe with them if they were to play against each other. That's why they're in the same bracket of level.

I think NTH are in for a rude awakening when they play against PRX. F4Q was just bad in their last game, but they're a streaming team, so I don't expect much, their training/scrim is probably not as rigid as an actual professional team.

lets just say if NTH gets destroyed by PRX I will be very, very surprised

Tira [#34]

I'm gonna Exclude X10 cause they played with Stand-In in Challengers 3 and TS since they lost to Onic G & Louvre in KJC Inv

1. VS
   2-3. NU/PRX (Need to wait for their Match)
2. CR
3. Nth

We dont know how well X10 currently rn cause they're not playing as good as in Iceland and also they play without Pati in SEA Challengers 3
Bren > PRX but PRX have Jinggg now and TS doesnt play that good in KJC idk if they're saving strat or what cause they're losing against Onic G & Louvre
We gonna see it in Champions for both of this team and i hope they deliver their fans hype

I don't think kjc is a good basis for this because of the agent ban. it's a whole new kind of game without starts and I think ts strat is what makes them really good team

I will go by each region top 2 acc to me currently and in a year ( assuming there won't be much team roaster changes )

SEA
1 x10
2 bren ~ ts

SEA-in a yr
1 ts
2 x10

SK - I think this will remain the same even in a yr
1 VS
2 NU

JP-now
1 cr
2 Zeta

JP-in a yr
1 CR
2 Norheption

SA -now
1 vlt
1 ge both r equal as of now

SA-in a yr
1 VLT
2 ge

KoreanOverlord [#42]

yeah these 4 teams are definitely at the top full consensus

after that it becomes a clusterfuck because of lack of international tournaments

OK what the fuck just happened yesterday