yay was also good in 2021. if you wanna argue he wasn't, where was pancada in 2021? idk how he's "spoiled" as he spend time in t2, spent a ton of time working on himself (even went through a role swap to stay relevant), and is now playing for a budget org in order to prove himself in t1. pancada ran to sen for the bag, flopped on his new role (not his fault they put a world class controller on sentinel but still), and was completely irrelevant in most of 2024. he then rejoined loud (which messed up the roles) and played mid. there's a reason why people are a lot more intrigued to see yay on eg than pancada on loud.