sooooo much better than any other regions tier 2, the depth in NA is insane
these emea teams look like ranked players ong
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chrlxz [#3]if you covered the names of the players and teams and just watched gameplay i assure you that you wouldnt be able to tell
americas ascension winner went to two international events and got top 3 in one
emea and pacific's winners had a combined 4 wins all year
chrlxz [#3]if you covered the names of the players and teams and just watched gameplay i assure you that you wouldnt be able to tell
^ what #3 said
thenutoriousPRO [#6]americas ascension winner went to two international events and got top 3 in one
emea and pacific's winners had a combined 4 wins all year
unfortunately #5
gold2peak [#5]4 eu T2 players just reached champs finals
clearly not in t2 if they are in champs final
thenutoriousPRO [#9]clearly not in t2 if they are in champs final
the point is that they came from t2 and are doing very good in T1 and you’re over exaggerating NA when they have just as good of talent as EMEA does
thenutoriousPRO [#6]americas ascension winner went to two international events and got top 3 in one
emea and pacific's winners had a combined 4 wins all year
only 3 out of 5 players that won ascension went to an international this year, they got really lucky in getting leaf and icy they and they did really well
kfan4238173 [#10]na is maybe better tier 2 but thats because theres only 6 na teams in tier 1, so they have a lot of talent sitting in tier 2
emea has 11 tier 1 teams so less of it goes to tier 2and even then i think its very hard to compare
na tier 2 teams would beat the bottom 5 teams in americas
thenutoriousPRO [#13]na tier 2 teams would beat the bottom 5 teams in americas
yeah na should have more teams in franchising. at least they will win every ascension for the next 3+ years to help even it out
thenutoriousPRO [#9]clearly not in t2 if they are in champs final
americas t2 players (not even t2, they literally beat prime optic in 2022) when they make a deep run: WOW!! NA T2 CLEARS!!
emea t2 players when they make several deep runs in more than one event: lol are they even t2?
Kxtqqh [#12]only 3 out of 5 players that won ascension went to an international this year, they got really lucky in getting leaf and icy they and they did really well
4 out of 5.
Tex was on g2
thenutoriousPRO [#6]americas ascension winner went to two international events and got top 3 in one
emea and pacific's winners had a combined 4 wins all year
Because your American ascension winner is a tier 1 that don’t entered to franchise system. But your “ascension winner” played an international event before and won NA challenger es stage 1 before. These Emea and pacific winners are actually a tier 2 team
shrike- [#15]americas t2 players (not even t2, they literally beat prime optic in 2022) when they make a deep run: WOW!! NA T2 CLEARS!!
emea t2 players when they make several deep runs in more than one event: lol are they even t2?
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catNmouse [#11]the point is that they came from t2 and are doing very good in T1 and you’re over exaggerating NA when they have just as good of talent as EMEA does
23/55 emea players this year came from t2 (might be wrong i just counted)
i would say 7 or 8 of them were good
abhaudk [#18]Because your American ascension winner is a tier 1 that don’t entered to franchise system. But your “ascension winner” played an international event before and won NA challenger es stage 1 before. These Emea and pacific winners are actually a tier 2 team
If you aren't in franchising you are tier 2. If edg somehow got relegated to challengers they would still be tier 2
OkOkay [#19]LOOK AT GENTLE MATES! LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES!LOOK AT GENTLE MATES! Ok but NA tier 2 is better. None of the actual top t2 players were on the guard anyway except trent and tex and trents fall off has to be studied. If Na actual chose good tier 2 players and put them on a team with n4rrate and verno etc then they woulda gone farther than TH this year. This is not even debatable
and if my grandma had wheels she’d be a bike
both regions have incredible t2 talent and the common ground is neither of them have the balls to use them properly, only those that actually give a fuck (heretics) are actually capable of finding long term success
i agree that na passes the eye test better than emea but a team full of emea t2 talent ran everyone for the whole year 😭
LouBag [#22]all these people acting like g2 were a "world class t1 team!!!!! they dont count as t2"
Forget that they were worse than m80 all season LOL
& their falloff after masters 2022
shrike- [#23]and if my grandma had wheels she’d be a bike
both regions have incredible t2 talent and the common ground is neither of them have the balls to use them properly, only those that actually give a fuck (heretics) are actually capable of finding long term success
i agree that na passes the eye test better than emea but a team full of emea t2 talent ran everyone for the whole year 😭
emea does not have incredible t2 talent lol
the best player in emea that came from tier 2 came from na tier 2
and dont even get me started on pacific tier 2
thenutoriousPRO [#25]emea does not have incredible t2 talent lol
the best player in emea that came from tier 2 came from na tier 2and dont even get me started on pacific tier 2
i don’t recall riens coming from na
thenutoriousPRO [#27]n4rrate
yeah and he wasn’t the best player in emea, riens was by a wide margin
shrike- [#28]yeah and he wasn’t the best player in emea, riens was by a wide margin
both are good but n4rrate clears
BUFF163 [#29]then how did yay flop in tier 2?
this just proves how good na tier 2 is??? a former international MVP wasnt good enough for NA tier 2
thenutoriousPRO [#30]both are good but n4rrate clears
if n4rrate so great, why he didn’t go shanghai? why he didn’t go champs?
thenutoriousPRO [#31]this just proves how good na tier 2 is??? a former international MVP wasnt good enough for NA tier 2
Interesting, up until now the excuse was that his team was bad
thenutoriousPRO [#6]americas ascension winner went to two international events and got top 3 in one
emea and pacific's winners had a combined 4 wins all year
i don't get why NA fans use that argument so much when it was pretty widely considered at the time that guard players should have gotten a tier 1 slot in the first place and were out of place in there, mibr were accepted and would be destroyed by most tier 2 teams, also EMEA's best team this year and the top 2 finisher in the world is composed of 4 tier 2 players (counting benjyfishy cause he only played that one LCQ game in 2023)
LouBag [#17]4 out of 5.
Tex was on g2
bad wording from me, i meant players in g2 that won ascension
thenutoriousPRO [#21]If you aren't in franchising you are tier 2. If edg somehow got relegated to challengers they would still be tier 2
Yeah tier 2 players with the skill of a tier 1 players and experience of a tier 1 players
Dumb
abhaudk [#38]Yeah tier 2 players with the skill of a tier 1 players and experience of a tier 1 players
Dumb
so what. if you put all franchising players in tier 2 na, i would obviously say NA tier 2 is the best. doesnt matter if they "belong" in tier 1, they are in tier 2 and thus makes tier 2 strong
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