How is ASPAS the goat

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sentinelmain377

If he was never the best player of a year and also didn’t even exist in 2021:

https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/

I think Chronicle is the goat for now man (Chronicle #2 2021 and #4 2023 >> Aspas #6 2022 and #5 2023)
Chronicle also more trophies, more finals, and has played every role in the game at a certain point in Valorant history (even duelist, when he was on m3c in 2022)

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Average_NA_fan

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https://i.imgur.com/5lFelYY.png

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kanyefan4238173

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literally the only bad moment in chronicles career is champs 2023

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Average_NA_fan

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reality: aspas shit on him on the upper bracket match too 💀💀

https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf

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kanyefan4238173

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? this is also champs 2023 did u read what i said

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sentinelmain377

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Illiterate na fan

Like usual

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Average_NA_fan

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why would i waste my time reading what braindead ppl like u type 💀💀💀

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sentinelmain377

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You replied lmao. You are already wasting time.

Retarded logic, like usual from an NA fan. Fuck off retard

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Average_NA_fan

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owning you isn't wasting time

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sentinelmain377

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Blud thought he owned me when he can’t even have a simple conversation and is illiterate 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Average_NA_fan

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i owned u with a simple ctrl+c

type more paragraphs next time 🤣🤣🤣

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nobody___100

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why would you waste your time trying to read when you clearly can't?

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Average_NA_fan

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yeah i can't understand braindead ppl like u my IQ is too higher

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nobody___100

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bro is proving his illiteracy more and more

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Average_NA_fan

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meanwhile i dont even know who u r

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nobody___100

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i'm a nobody, but you're worse

continue thread →

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bear14

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chronicle is the true goat

but aspas has always been consistent in terms of super star fragging + more popularity

#30

OkOkay

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Aspas is the best player of today thats a big reason why people call him the goat. Although the title for goat is debatable, he is the best today
https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=61&event_id=all&region=all&min_rounds=0&min_rating=0&agent=all&map_id=all&timespan=all

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AstroGalaxy

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Aspas clears your favorite team and player

Aspas got married at a young age

Aspas is aspas

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sentinelmain377

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Chronicle is married too bro (at least 2 years ago I think)

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BulkyLettuce

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"Aspas got married at a young age"

that is not a flex big dog

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catNmouse

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aspas clears everyones bathrooms 🐐

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bronzil_enjoyer

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wtf does this mean 💀💀💀

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catNmouse

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it means he’s the GOAT 🐐 undisputed

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ButterflyEffect23

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what's up with your flair

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bronzil_enjoyer

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i had prx flair in 23 and first quarter of 24 too

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ButterflyEffect23

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c00tiep0ej0nggj0ngg

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bronzil_enjoyer

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whole prx is messed up didn't watch their recent matches due to internet problems but they looked mid in shanghai they were not like this in 2023

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ButterflyEffect23

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they were throwing insane rounds in Shanghai tbh, outrageous tosses happened

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bronzil_enjoyer

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let's see in champs but i don't have high hopes for them unfortunately

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BME_JERRYCHAPULIN

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Bro Aspas And Skrossi Are Both Parrelel Universe In the Same One So Lol I Know

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💀

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its really hard to have a goat this early in the game, it is much easier to have a current top 5 of all time which is: (not in any ranking)

chronicle: consistent since beginning of Valorant, probably highest average placement of any player
aspas: for the past 2 years he has always been in converstations as the best player, multiple high placements in tournaments
tenz: the best player of 2020 and 2021 with stats no one will probably ever beat, one of the best players of 2024, most recognizable face in Valorant
f0rsaken: put the APAC region on the map, even though never won, he has come 2nd, 3rd, 4th multiple times, most flexible player of all time

idk who would be the 5th maybe like mako

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teilwal

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2020???? LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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BulkyLettuce

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C9 blue TenZ was the best in the world in 2020

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ButterflyEffect23

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TenZ as the best player of 2020? Valorant competitive wasn't even a thing for real

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BulkyLettuce

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its because he was the first player to hit radiant or "valorant"

also he competed on C9 blue and was the best in the world in 2020

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sentinelmain377

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What the fuck

Best player of 2021?

NAts chronicle and cned literally cleared tenz in 2021 overall ranking

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ozaee

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doesnt negate the fact he is in the conversation as well

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sentinelmain377

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He was not the best player of 2021
It is nAts > Chronicle > cNed > TenZ > ScreaM for the top 5 players of 2021

People need to stop spreading misinformation

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groomer

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Tenz was only the best during reykjavik. He was not the best during the whole year wtf

And he is not even top 10 in 2024 currently

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BulkyLettuce

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he was the best at berlin too, team brought him down

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catNmouse

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y0y was better than him in berlin wdym

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bro played actual streamers twice at berlin

#43

sentinelmain377

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Lmfaoo

Bulky lettuce is a baiter though, for your information. Don’t take him seriously

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"Chronicle"💀💀 "Tenz"💀💀💀 "F0rsaken" 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

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you are single handedly ruining all canadians reputations

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sentinelmain377

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Bro what lmfao?
My points are valid if you could fucking read

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kanyefan4238173

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forget the best of the year, he was never even the best at an event. how can someone be the best of all time without being the best at a single major event

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Yuh_aye

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and how can someone be the best of all time if he's never been better than his own teammates? (ever)

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sentinelmain377

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Chronicle has. What the fuck are you saying?
He is right now in emea stage 2 2024

Look how good he is when he isn’t on flex. His initiator is insane

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Yuh_aye

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he's not better than Alfa or healthy Leo, stop it.

If a higher power told fnatic fans they would replace either Alfa or Chronicle with a mid, normal pro with the same agent pool every rational one would choose Chronicle.

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kanyefan4238173

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chronicle is currently highest rated on fnatic and he had the highest rating on gambit in berlin. he was literally the best at some point on both of his dominant teams

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ZekaTheGoat

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Facts

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flanador

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Your GOAT isn’t even the best player in his team let alone his region

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sentinelmain377

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He is the best player on FNATIC right now actually
Look at stage 2 stats

This is what happens when chronicle is on initiator and not on flex (he becomes the goat)

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Yuh_aye

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If you just look at stats you'd think Icy was a better jett than oxy (someone actually tried to say this in a thread a few days ago).

Nobody think's hes better than Alfajer, let alone Leo.

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sentinelmain377

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Right now Chronicle is the best on his team since he switched roles to initiator

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Yuh_aye

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The only case for this is by looking purely at stats alone. Like I pointed out, you could make the case that Icy is a better jett than Oxy by just looking at stats (nobody believes that).

By the same token, nobody seriously believes Chronicle is better than Alfa, and we don't even need to talk about a healthy Leo.

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sentinelmain377

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Bro
Did u even watch the matches for FNATIC

He started looking like prime Chronicle in Gambit 2021

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Yuh_aye

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not only did I watch, I even stole one of his shock lineups on haven

Eye test, brain test, and past experience point me towards alfajer being better.

Only stats point to Chronicle (and the stats are similar too btw)

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the difference is that oxy is on a bad team so his stats are worse. chronicle is on the same team as alfa so why isnt alfa fragging more and getting better stats? with oxy vs icy its because icy is in a far far better team

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The Oxy example is used to demonstrate that stats don't tell the whole story.

But for the sake of clarity, lets just focus on stats:
Having (slightly) higher stats than someone at a point in time doesnt mean you are a better player than that person. This is because past events have influence on our beliefs, which are then updated over time with more data.

As a toy example, lets say the team that just won the NBA championship starts the next season with a record of 1-2, while a bad team starts 2-1 playing vs same teams. Would you say that team 2 is better just off of that? Obviously not, but if the NBA champion continued to have a bad season and the other team continued to have a good season, somepoint therein you would start to believe it.

Going back to val lets make the unrealistic assumption that the Rating stat is a perfect proxy for your true skill level/impact/etc, treating it as a parameter to be estimated.

Alfajer (and Leo) have been better than Chronicle for basically their entire time on Fnatic, and Chronicle having a (marginally) better rating this stage is obviously not strong enough evidence to put Chronicle above Alfa. If this continues in the future, he may begin to have a case, but having 0.04 better rating is not enough data to update our beliefs drastically. This is how rational people think, and it's actually how we are currently trying to teach machines to think in the field of machine learning. If you want further resources on bayesian statistics and the updating of beliefs with data, I will be happy to point you to some resources.

TLDR: Having a slightly better season that someone doesn't automatically make you better than them. Nobody reasonable thinks that way

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yeah of course but thats more than im willing to do. anyway i only said that cause your post, #38, says hes never been the best player on his team for even a little bit. you explicitly said that.

stats dont tell the whole story of course but they do say something. chronicle has definitely been the best on his team for a little bit, such as berlin and the last month

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One month is not enough to be better, especially when its by such a slight margin.You could say he had a (slightly) better month. If Chron keeps this same small distance between him and alfa through champs -> halfway through next kickoff or whatever, then I can say he's the best on fnatic. If its a bigger margin, then less time obviously. But as of now there's no reason to believe that he is better than Alfa, and that's only assuming that stats tell the whole story. In my eye test of watching the game, alfa's mechanics and getting 2 in situations he shouldn't seems to be much more important to Fnatic's success.

Also, GMB was Nat's team, we all knew it. People who say he was carried are wrong, but he was always #2.

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it was him and nats, chronicle in my eyes was better considering the roles he played. also in that grandfinal? he bitched optic, legendary performance in that series