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valyn vs johnqt
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smthlikeyou11 [#2]how is this even a debate
johnqt is obviously better
fym how is this a debate
they have similar firepower and similar igling skills (with different styles however)
although imo valyn has done more with less you feel me
Dankmemes [#5]fym how is this a debate
they have similar firepower and similar igling skills (with different styles however)
although imo valyn has done more with less you feel me
johnqt has way more firepower
u cant rly tell igling skills unless u really analyze the matches and watch voice comm videos, u can only see a some surface level igling
johnqt clears in decision making when it comes to fights, too
CanadianLegend [#3]the system that Vayln runs is incredible yet JohnQT just stands out more as an iGL
oooo yes didnt even realize both were guard and m80 igls lol
https://www.vlr.gg/232895/the-guard-vs-m80-champions-tour-2023-americas-ascension-gf
results speak for themselves
Eragon_35 [#7]Johnqt won a masters
Valyn choked a masters playoffs
johnqt had a lot of talent to help him though
i have mad respect for what jqt has done for SEN but you cant discount what valyn has done with the hand him (and the guard core) was dealt
Dankmemes [#5]fym how is this a debate
they have similar firepower and similar igling skills (with different styles however)
although imo valyn has done more with less you feel me
disagree, he has been with the same core for 2 years along with having one of the best american players of 2023 with leaf, the only weak link really is icy. Not to say the SEN roster is weaker, ofc Valyn has done great for having a very conservative duelist, however to say his team is lesser than johns' teams when he joined a roster and immediately won a masters is deranged imo. At the end of the day, one of them got a trophy the moment they joined a team, the other has a top 3 placement after 2 years on a team
smthlikeyou11 [#8]johnqt has way more firepower
u cant rly tell igling skills unless u really analyze the matches and watch voice comm videos, u can only see a some surface level igling
johnqt clears in decision making when it comes to fights, too
???
valyn carried g2 stage one with his skill (2nd place in americas btw!!) and you can VERY clearly see valyn's slow paced style and beautiful midrounding
An example of this is vs NRG where it seemed that G2 would ALWAYS find the empty site (not a coincidence)
dort [#11]https://www.vlr.gg/232895/the-guard-vs-m80-champions-tour-2023-americas-ascension-gf
results speak for themselves
m80 literally beat the guard before, they were neck and neck teams, ascension was bad for m80 being their first lan and the two map ban was very useful. I still believe m80 = tgrd, both shouldve made it it to t1.
Dankmemes [#14]???
valyn carried g2 stage one with his skill (2nd place in americas btw!!) and you can VERY clearly see valyn's slow paced style and beautiful midrounding
An example of this is vs NRG where it seemed that G2 would ALWAYS find the empty site (not a coincidence)
yes theyre both good igls but my point is u cant really compare which one is better
Al-Mawsil [#15]m80 literally beat the guard before, they were neck and neck teams, ascension was bad for m80 being their first lan and the two map ban was very useful. I still believe m80 = tgrd, both shouldve made it it to t1.
valyn still clears unfortunately
Al-Mawsil [#15]m80 literally beat the guard before, they were neck and neck teams, ascension was bad for m80 being their first lan and the two map ban was very useful. I still believe m80 = tgrd, both shouldve made it it to t1.
the haters dont know about nismo and his goat status...
smthlikeyou11 [#16]yes theyre both good igls but my point is u cant really compare which one is better
how is this even a debate
johnqt is obviously better
Dankmemes [#19]how is this even a debate
johnqt is obviously better
because their igling skills are pretty on par with each other, but johnqt clears in decision making and mechanics
Dankmemes [#18]the haters dont know about nismo and his goat status...
nismo was in his prime last year with zander almost levelling it, m80 were goated
moshimoshiman24 [#23]i think as a pure igl valyn might b better like with the tactics and the system g2 has. john is probably a better fragger and still is a good igl. I do wonder how good john and valyn will b as igls tho if they switched teams bc zekken helps john so much bc hes so good.
valyn is similar in frag ability to john imo, remember that valyn basically carried g2 throughout a lot of stage 1
Akukko [#26]Individually? Johnqt
Communications wise? Valyn
Booom I'd rate them equal tbh
reminder that valyn hard carried g2 mechanically during a lot of stage 1 (2nd place btw!!!)
ax0788 [#28]JohnQt would make g2 better, valyn would make sen worse with his slow playstyle.
jqt would not make g2 better dont lie
both igls compliment the team very well and swapping them would make both teams worse
Dankmemes [#25]valyn is similar in frag ability to john imo, remember that valyn basically carried g2 throughout a lot of stage 1
Ppl sleeping on valyn aim ngl
Dankmemes [#12]johnqt had a lot of talent to help him though
i have mad respect for what jqt has done for SEN but you cant discount what valyn has done with the hand him (and the guard core) was dealt
same core for years but hasnt won anything, walmart version of optic
shawn813 [#32]same core for years but hasnt won anything, walmart version of optic
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Dankmemes [#27]reminder that valyn hard carried g2 mechanically during a lot of stage 1 (2nd place btw!!!)
That's right. G2 had a sloppy start on stage 1 tho. Later on all the other members especially leaf started shooting back
For sentinels i feel like Johnqt is like 2nd or 3rd best firepower-wise, above sacy and zellsis, below tenz and zekken
Akukko [#34]That's right. G2 had a sloppy start on stage 1 tho. Later on all the other members especially leaf started shooting back
For sentinels i feel like Johnqt is like 2nd or 3rd best firepower-wise, above sacy and zellsis, below tenz and zekken
valyn was still fragging harder than the rest of the team for the later half of stage 1 (lower final tied kill record) which means a lot considering you have trent and leaf on your team
the thing about GOAT2 is that every player shows up when they need to (JonahP during shanghai, icy vs PRX and C9, trent the past 2 games, valyn stage 1, leaf always) so its hard to rank them mechanically
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