all this shit about a format like SEA most likely wont happen mainly because its on lan and i doubt they will play in seperate rooms because riot probably wants it all on stage i would think.
most likely it will be a gsl format like the korea group stages; https://www.vlr.gg/event/595/champions-tour-korea-stage-3-challengers/group-stage-main
then go into a Ro8 with a lower bracket like North America playoffs; https://www.vlr.gg/event/578/champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs
Xaster15 [#2]https://www.vlr.gg/33094/format-for-berlin WOW YOU LITERALLY COPIED MY THREAD HUH?
u made a shit post talking about sea format lmao
Xaster15 [#4]WHERE? give me the thread link
you only mentioned EMEA format which most likely wont happen, SEA format which is a hard round robin group stage and Then north america ro16 format. didnt mention the GSL format that korea uses
Xaster15 [#2]https://www.vlr.gg/33094/format-for-berlin WOW YOU LITERALLY COPIED MY THREAD HUH?
the way u said it is confusing this thread actually makes sense
thanatos11 [#5]you only mentioned EMEA format which most likely wont happen, SEA format which is a hard round robin group stage and Then north america ro16 format. didnt mention the GSL format that korea uses
is that a shit post? i dont even know what FORMAT will be take in BERLIN im just assuming
you know what format berlin will use???
swaglord69 [#6]the way u said it is confusing this thread actually makes sense
i cant count my braincells on my fingers thats why
Xaster15 [#7]is that a shit post? i dont even know what FORMAT will be take in BERLIN im just assuming
you know what format berlin will use???
this and u can come back when they do
thanatos11 [#9]this and u can come back when they do
this format https://www.hltv.org/events/5469/iem-cologne-2021 i want this
Xaster15 [#10]this format https://www.hltv.org/events/5469/iem-cologne-2021 i want this
makes more sense to use 4 groups + riot probably wants lowers
thanatos11 [#11]makes more sense to use 4 groups + riot probably wants lowers
ye masters is still a qualifer, most likely will be SEA format but with Bo3s
JettOnetap [#13]Good format but can they finish all in 11days?
if they do 4 games a day they can even do a round robin
How do you determine how to distribute the points with the GSL system? Since groups are separated and you're eliminating half of the teams, how do you distribute points to the bottom 8?
Predetermined point distribution can be seen here: https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/Stage_3/Masters
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8 [#15]How do you determine how to distribute the points with the GSL system? Since groups are separated and you're eliminating half of the teams, how do you distribute points to the bottom 8?
Predetermined point distribution can be seen here: https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/Stage_3/Masters
the 4 teams eliminated in the first round of GSL get 13-16
the 4 teams eliminated in the decider get 12-9
JettOnetap [#13]Good format but can they finish all in 11days?
they can get through the group stage in 5 days and then 6 days for the ro8 is easy seen it took them 6 days to complete the ro12 in iceland
PrTsty [#12]ye masters is still a qualifer, most likely will be SEA format but with Bo3s
i doubt it will be the SEA format
thanatos11 [#16]the 4 teams eliminated in the first round of GSL get 13-16
the 4 teams eliminated in the decider get 12-9
Makes sense on the surface, but some groups are going to be stronger than others without seeding into it first. Isn't that a bit of a problem when it comes to integrity? Unless you meant, that this is supposed to include seeding too, which would be a bit stuffed in terms of the schedule.
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8 [#19]Makes sense on the surface, but some groups are going to be stronger than others without seeding into it first. Isn't that a bit of a problem when it comes to integrity? Unless you meant, that this is supposed to include seeding too, which would be a bit stuffed in terms of the schedule.
what do you mean stuffed in terms of schedule? Its either going to this format or a Ro16 which could take even longer and if it does SEA groups other groups will be stronger anyway. This is also taking seeding into account
thanatos11 [#20]what do you mean stuffed in terms of schedule? Its either going to this format or a Ro16 which could take even longer and if it does SEA groups other groups will be stronger anyway. This is also taking seeding into account
and i would think Riot has an idea of how they would do the seeding between regions seen as they already pick stronger regions when giving them berlin spots in the first place
thanatos11 [#18]i doubt it will be the SEA format
- Theyre playing 6 games a day
- All their games are bo2s
- Their event is 10 days long with 6 games a day and bo2s just imagine the length that would take with bo3s and 4 games a day
it would be 6 days with 4 Bo3 a day for groups stage
day seven would be quarters 4 games
day eight would be lower roudn 1 and semis 4 games
day nine would be lower round 2 and upper finals 3 games
day 10 lower round 4 and lower finals 2 games
and day 11 grand finals.
so yeah 4 games a day might be hard but its international so streaming from 10am-10pm or from 12pm to 9 pm or midnight would be good for the different time zones so they could watch matches at normal times.
PrTsty [#22]it would be 6 days with 4 Bo3 a day for groups stage
day seven would be quarters 4 games
day eight would be lower roudn 1 and semis 4 games
day nine would be lower round 2 and upper finals 3 games
day 10 lower round 4 and lower finals 2 games
and day 11 grand finals.
so yeah 4 games a day might be hard but its international so streaming from 10am-10pm or from 12pm to 9 pm or midnight would be good for the different time zones so they could watch matches at normal times.
the tournament is 9 days no?
thanatos11 [#20]what do you mean stuffed in terms of schedule? Its either going to this format or a Ro16 which could take even longer and if it does SEA groups other groups will be stronger anyway. This is also taking seeding into account
Well, a full double elim bracket would be 31 games, bringing the average games per day to 2.8~. What you are suggesting incl seeding would bring the average games per day to 4.2~.
The average games per day in Iceland was 2.6~ for reference. So seems like they should make it a dual stream event if your choice of design is to be followed.
Honestly I'm fine with any style, there are pros and cons to each method. A swiss system into a full double elim would be my ideal, but that's a lot of games as well, so you have to take into account what the limitations of the event are.
30Spence [#27]Playoffs is single elim, look at points distrubuiton
Lol, if they make it single elim, that would literally be the stupidest decision ever for an international lan. This isn't league of legends, and that format is dogshit even in that game too.
Selex [#28]Lol, if they make it single elim, that would literally be the stupidest decision ever for an international lan. This isn't league of legends, and that format is dogshit even in that game too.
That's what it is 100% unfortunately, expect double Elim playoffs for Champions, not for masters.They don't have enough time to do groups and double Elim in 10 days. Sad truth
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