Yay has the weakest agent pool in pro play?
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s0ber [#2]iso
im talking about yay? i dont mean the weakest agent in pro play i mean the yay has the weakest agent pool in pro play. He can only play chamber to champions level and average jett.
kalayav_n [#3]im talking about yay? i dont mean the weakest agent in pro play i mean the yay has the weakest agent pool in pro play. He can only play chamber to champions level and average jett.
i mean there were plenty of chamber/jett merchants back pre-franchising, they just didn't have the high's of yay so we don't even hear abt them anymore
Psion [#8]i mean there were plenty of chamber/jett merchants back pre-franchising, they just didn't have the high's of yay so we don't even hear abt them anymore
f0rsaken was one but he became the goat of flex players
cscheater [#7]agent pool is fake. aspas been playing only jett raze his whole career and hes the goat
Yes but being able to play raze is important asf because if you can't play raze it either means perma map bans for you or role issues. Lev can play almost any map because Aspas can play all duelists and isn't restricted. YAY however if no one on his team can't play duelists, they can't pick bind because they have to risk YAY having to pop off on an agent they can't play that comfortably or well.
Psion [#8]i mean there were plenty of chamber/jett merchants back pre-franchising, they just didn't have the high's of yay so we don't even hear abt them anymore
Less is probably the best viper and one of the best cyphers. Less wasn't just restricted to chamber and thats the problem.
kalayav_n [#12]Less is probably the best viper and one of the best cyphers. Less wasn't just restricted to chamber and thats the problem.
idk why less was even brought up lol
kalayav_n [#3]im talking about yay? i dont mean the weakest agent in pro play i mean the yay has the weakest agent pool in pro play. He can only play chamber to champions level and average jett.
Im fucking high i read it completely wrong
Kinga [#10]f0rsaken was one but he became the goat of flex players
f0rsaken could also play raze though iirc(its his second most played) im talking purely jett/chamber
Psion [#15]idk why less was even brought up lol
Because Less was playing chamber for loud in the chamber meta, the reason I brought him up was because I'm trying to prove why agent pool is very important, especially with meta shifts. It's why YAY fell off really hard.
s0ber [#16]Im fucking high i read it completely wrong
nah your good bro. i kind of worded it wrong too on my end
kalayav_n [#18]Because Less was playing chamber for loud in the chamber meta, the reason I brought him up was because I'm trying to prove why agent pool is very important, especially with meta shifts. It's why YAY fell off really hard.
less never felt comfortable on chamber though lol(at least compared to how comfortable he was on viper, which is why when LOUD switched to him on viper at champs they did better)
so its a bad example because he was never a chamber merchant
edit: he didn't benefit from chamber meta, you have to use someone who benefited from it
Psion [#20]less never felt comfortable on chamber though lol(at least compared to how comfortable he was on viper, which is why when LOUD switched to him on viper at champs they did better)
so its a bad example because he was never a chamber merchant
edit: he didn't benefit from chamber meta, you have to use someone who benefited from it
? https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=95134&tab=overview
this is vs yay, hes played chamber consistently in champs 2022 on chamber.
after the nerf he made the full switch to cypher/viper
kalayav_n [#21]? https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=95134&tab=overview
this is vs yay, hes played chamber consistently in champs 2022 on chamber.
after the nerf he made the full switch to cypher/viper
he played chamber in 50% of maps that they played at copenhagen, compared to only 29% of maps played at champions 2022
edit: additionally, every member besides sacy played chamber at some point for LOUD. it wasn't only Less's job
Psion [#23]he played chamber in 50% of maps that they played at copenhagen, compared to only 29% of maps played at champions 2022
edit: additionally, every member besides sacy played chamber at some point for LOUD. it wasn't only Less's job
yes but this is mainly because of value of chamber. Also map vetos plays a big role in these pick %. Loud don't favor chamber maps for Less because he isn't just restricted to chamber. Whilst FNS and Optic stated they did favor chamber maps and picked maps where chamber excels well so that they can play with YAY. Thats why less picked chamber 2 of the 3 maps they usually play against optic. HAVEN and FRACTURE but not breeze because of the halls trip and the B main trip.
kalayav_n [#25]yes but this is mainly because of value of chamber. Also map vetos plays a big role in these pick %. Loud don't favor chamber maps for Less because he isn't just restricted to chamber. Whilst FNS and Optic stated they did favor chamber maps and picked maps where chamber excels well so that they can play with YAY. Thats why less picked chamber 2 of the 3 maps they usually play against optic. HAVEN and FRACTURE but not breeze because of the halls trip and the B main trip.
im just saying less is an awful example because of how LOUD was constructed
m4tikes [#24]this is so sad i hate yay so much hes not good so overrated breaking up teams and hes toxic
ngl idk if hes toxic or anything but the guy is no longer good. FROM HERO TO ZERO! don't ever compare him to ardiss or aspas lol
Psion [#26]im just saying less is an awful example because of how LOUD was constructed
not really, both chamber players in the chamber meta, a prime example of map pools and how important it is. no hate to yay but if he had a decent map pool he wouldn't be this ass on a low tier team..
kalayav_n [#28]not really, both chamber players in the chamber meta, a prime example of map pools and how important it is. no hate to yay but if he had a decent map pool he wouldn't be this ass on a low tier team..
he was only the chamber 53% of the time for LOUD (the rest was split between pancada, aspas, and saadhak) to qualify as a chamber merchant u gotta be the teams chamber at least 2/3 of the time lol
kalayav_n [#21]? https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=95134&tab=overview
this is vs yay, hes played chamber consistently in champs 2022 on chamber.
after the nerf he made the full switch to cypher/viper
u forgot abt this https://www.vlr.gg/130624/optic-gaming-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2022-group-stage-winners-b/?game=95051&tab=overview, ure simply a yay hater
shaaidem [#30]u forgot abt this https://www.vlr.gg/130624/optic-gaming-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2022-group-stage-winners-b/?game=95051&tab=overview, ure simply a yay hater
do you even know what im debating or are you just randomly saying shit
TheAceGamer30 [#5]His raze looked decent ngl it wasn’t that bad
you would generally want your raze players to be good, not just decent. especially when you are paying a huge amount for someone who takes up import spot
DeluluGavin [#32]you would generally want your raze players to be good, not just decent. especially when you are paying a huge amount for someone who takes up import spot
i mean it was his first raze debut and he did not bad with her
kalayav_n [#31]do you even know what im debating or are you just randomly saying shit
u compared yay and less when less was never a chamber playing nor comparable to yay's level at that time, u re straight up hating, he played a good raze on the 1st map and his jett nd chamber re fine too, dk what u lf on a duelist
TheAceGamer30 [#33]i mean it was his first raze debut and he did not bad with her
i didnt say he was bad lmao
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