I have genuinely no idea what to think about the teams in this region atm. I feel like most people would still say that Fnatic is the best team, but even as a fan myself, its kinda hard to say that atm when they only played 2 games and lost one. Heretics and KC look insane as well, but is this a case of a good team, or just an insane run? FUT and Giants I thought were good teams but both just got decimated in their group. Liquid I also had decent expectations for but lost to a team that was formed a week before kick-off (granted they beat them earlier but that just leaves more questions). Most regions I can look at and see a storyline coming up on who is going to do well and who isn't, but EMEA I still have so many questions
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FNC will be 2nd behind KC when the season begins, Heretics will be a little worse because they are gonna be with woot (net positive long term but you can't expect form to have a 100% retention rate when replacing players) FUT is a good team(14th out of non china in VCT ish), giants is a mid team (around 21, worse than teams like G2)
Liquid will be fine, they'll be good in the regular season and not meet results in internationals like they always do
Rejjinator [#4]I feel like EMEA wont do good at madrid because both teams are so inexperienced
KC have engh, they'll be pretty ok because of that. I don't expect either EMEA team to win infact i'd say KC have the 5th highest chances(EDG, SEN, LOUD, PRX) and TH the 7th(genG)
Psion [#7]KC have engh, they'll be pretty ok because of that. I don't expect either EMEA team to win infact i'd say KC have the 5th highest chances(EDG, SEN, LOUD, PRX) and TH the 7th(genG)
Are you saying that all these teams are better than KC?
We will see.
Cacachocolat [#8]Are you saying that all these teams are better than KC?
We will see.
no I am not, I am saying they all have better chances to WIN the event than KC. they all have really good international experience, no team has won an international event without previously qualifying or making one since Gambit in 2021. I think KC can get 3rd at best. LOUD will be better guranteed, and one of EDG/PRX will be better guranteed
Cacachocolat [#2]Post before everyone says EMEA is shit, etc, you know the story.
emea is mid the shit regions are pacific and china
Psion [#10]emea is mid the shit regions are pacific and china
You are underestimating EMEA lmao.
How is it a mid region when it has the most trophies and a higher playerbase than all of America's combined?
Cacachocolat [#11]You are underestimating EMEA lmao.
How is it a mid region when it has the most trophies and a higher playerbase than all of America's combined?
what do either trophies or playerbase have to do with how good the teams of the region are CURRENTLY.
Psion [#12]what do either trophies or playerbase have to do with how good the teams of the region are CURRENTLY.
You are heavily biased towards America's.
If you want to be objective, you can't really tell until all the teams plays against each others, it's the first official international tournament of 2024.
Then we will be able to gauge the regions.
Cacachocolat [#11]You are underestimating EMEA lmao.
How is it a mid region when it has the most trophies and a higher playerbase than all of America's combined?
if you go down the ladder AMER wins most matchups
LOUD- KC (LOUD WIN
SEN- TH (SEN WIN)
NRG- FNC (FNC win)
EG- NAVI (EG win)
Lev- FUT (LEV win)
100T- Vit (VIT win)
Mibr- Koi (Mibr Win)
G2- Liquid (G2 Win)
Kru-GiantX (KRU win)
C9- M8 (M8 Win)
Furia-BBL(BBL Win)
Cacachocolat [#13]You are heavily biased towards America's.
If you want to be objective, you can't really tell until all the teams plays against each others, it's the first official international tournament of 2024.
Then we will be able to gauge the regions.
you just ignored my question lol, LOUD and SEN are rated by the community as a whole to be the top 2 teams at madrid but when i say im biased i guess
Psion [#14]if you go down the ladder AMER wins most matchups
LOUD- KC (LOUD WIN
SEN- TH (SEN WIN)
NRG- FNC (FNC win)
EG- NAVI (EG win)
Lev- FUT (LEV win)
100T- Vit (VIT win)
Mibr- Koi (Mibr Win)
G2- Liquid (G2 Win)
Kru-GiantX (KRU win)
C9- M8 (M8 Win)
Furia-BBL(BBL Win)
lol
Rejjinator [#4]I feel like EMEA wont do good at madrid because both teams are so inexperienced
I feel like you can say that for a lot of teams though. The only teams where i can confidently say that international lan experience will help them is LOUD, PRX and EDG. The other teams rather dont have that experience (KC, Heretics, FPX), or it has been so long since their last appearance (sentinels, geng) that I don't know whether they will be comfortable again just yet
Psion [#15]you just ignored my question lol, LOUD and SEN are rated by the community as a whole to be the top 2 teams at madrid but when i say im biased i guess
The americas community as a whole
EMEA has a lot of capable rosters at the moment, like current EMEA was alright (imo) but once it comes to champs time and we're fighting for team #4? I could see almost every team in that conversation. In AM for example, I only see Lev, 100T or EG really fighting for that 4th slot - So EMEA going to be so much more hype at that point.
We don't talk about pacific, seeing between DRX and RRQ: who can throw harder to get 5th.
Psion [#15]you just ignored my question lol, LOUD and SEN are rated by the community as a whole to be the top 2 teams at madrid but when i say im biased i guess
loud and sen are rated higher because they have a higher fanbase???
it doesnt matter if its audience rated. thats like saying "eurovision is a fair contest".
Psion [#14]if you go down the ladder AMER wins most matchups
LOUD- KC (LOUD WIN
SEN- TH (SEN WIN)
NRG- FNC (FNC win)
EG- NAVI (EG win)
Lev- FUT (LEV win)
100T- Vit (VIT win)
Mibr- Koi (Mibr Win)
G2- Liquid (G2 Win)
Kru-GiantX (KRU win)
C9- M8 (M8 Win)
Furia-BBL(BBL Win)
KRU GIANTX? giants won
mibr koi? koi win
loud kc? 50-50
thats just a few of the wrong ones
pickleguy483 [#22]KRU GIANTX? giants won
mibr koi? koi win
loud kc? 50-50
thats just a few of the wrong ones
all of those are right and saying LOUD-KC is a 50-50 when almost everyone is rating LOUD #1 at Madrid and KC 3-6 is absurd
pickleguy483 [#21]loud and sen are rated higher because they have a higher fanbase???
it doesnt matter if its audience rated. thats like saying "eurovision is a fair contest".
You think VLR’s users at 4am US EST is majority American lmao? That’s when I made my poll
Psion [#23]all of those are right and saying LOUD-KC is a 50-50 when almost everyone is rating LOUD #1 at Madrid and KC 3-6 is absurd
bro shut up with your ratings... that doesnt make a team good based on what the fans think, you are clearly heavily biased so what makes you believe your "poll" doesnt have those people in it?
also saying "all of those are right" when they are complete guesses is the most delusional thing on this site
Psion [#24]You think VLR’s users at 4am US EST is majority American lmao? That’s when I made my poll
bro its a poll
its not an accurate representation for the teams skill levels.
also yes, this site is almost always majority US no matter the time of day.
pickleguy483 [#27]bro its a poll
its not an accurate representation for the teams skill levels.
also yes, this site is almost always majority US no matter the time of day.
It’s much more accurate than your opinions lmao, you predded fnc and Navi didn’t you?
pickleguy483 [#26]bro shut up with your ratings... that doesnt make a team good based on what the fans think, you are clearly heavily biased so what makes you believe your "poll" doesnt have those people in it?
also saying "all of those are right" when they are complete guesses is the most delusional thing on this site
Everything here is predictions dude, delusion is saying things that are undeniably false. Kru giants is between 40-60 and 60-40, same with KOI MIBR. I just think it leans MIBR and Kru. What is delusion is thinking KC Loud is a 50-50, given a days prep time LOUD would dismantle the comps KC make because saadhak lmao
anyth1ng [#6]wym "fnatic is still the best team"? KC owns FNATIC in every way, that team got carried by alfajer
How do you already have 39 pages of posts dude, my account years old and I only got 33
Psion [#30]How do you already have 39 pages of posts dude, my account years old and I only got 33
i post a lot of nonsense with no effort at all, plus many comments like "very true👍🏻" or "cNed🇹🇷🧔🏾♀️"
Psion [#29]Everything here is predictions dude, delusion is saying things that are undeniably false. Kru giants is between 40-60 and 60-40, same with KOI MIBR. I just think it leans MIBR and Kru. What is delusion is thinking KC Loud is a 50-50, given a days prep time LOUD would dismantle the comps KC make because saadhak lmao
if they are predictions then the message "all of those are right" cannot be said...
Wronghand [#20]EMEA has a lot of capable rosters at the moment, like current EMEA was alright (imo) but once it comes to champs time and we're fighting for team #4? I could see almost every team in that conversation. In AM for example, I only see Lev, 100T or EG really fighting for that 4th slot - So EMEA going to be so much more hype at that point.
We don't talk about pacific, seeing between DRX and RRQ: who can throw harder to get 5th.
I'm so jealous I won't be able to watch alot of EMEA this year cause of time difference, its the only region that is massively inconvenient to watch for me (like 2am - 5/6am).
Psion [#29]Everything here is predictions dude, delusion is saying things that are undeniably false. Kru giants is between 40-60 and 60-40, same with KOI MIBR. I just think it leans MIBR and Kru. What is delusion is thinking KC Loud is a 50-50, given a days prep time LOUD would dismantle the comps KC make because saadhak lmao
Psi0n, psi0n, psi0n. Least delusional Americas fan.
pickleguy483 [#34]Psi0n, psi0n, psi0n. Least delusional Americas fan.
crazy this thread was still in your head, switch SEN and LOUD and who wins stays the same. (SEN > KC, LOUD > TH)
ps. LOUD have never gone 2-1 in groups before and done anything significant after have they?
pickleguy483 [#34]Psi0n, psi0n, psi0n. Least delusional Americas fan.
you definitely had this bookmarked, what a loser lmao
who does that cringe shit
azureblade101 [#36]you definitely had this bookmarked, what a loser lmao
who does that cringe shit
Says the fake flagging na fan…
Psion [#15]you just ignored my question lol, LOUD and SEN are rated by the community as a whole to be the top 2 teams at madrid but when i say im biased i guess
Apparently GenG clears
Psion [#15]you just ignored my question lol, LOUD and SEN are rated by the community as a whole to be the top 2 teams at madrid but when i say im biased i guess
didn't age well my friend
https://www.vlr.gg/312766/gen-g-vs-loud-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-swiss-stage-r1
Psion [#9]no I am not, I am saying they all have better chances to WIN the event than KC. they all have really good international experience, no team has won an international event without previously qualifying or making one since Gambit in 2021. I think KC can get 3rd at best. LOUD will be better guranteed, and one of EDG/PRX will be better guranteed
Loud just lost to GENG
ECMango [#40]didn't age well my friend
https://www.vlr.gg/312766/gen-g-vs-loud-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-swiss-stage-r1
how so? AMER 2-0 EMEA
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