why SEN is the true NA superteam

because they've been just that idk why we forgot about them lol. We literally have two world champions, TenZ who's by far the most popular player ever in the scene, Zekken who's the youngest NA prodigy and also one of the youngest prodigies in the world of all time, Zellsis who's always been an unbelievably cracked player and is by far the best hype man in the scene, and of course JohnQT who's one of the great IGLs that's about to prove himself in Tier 1 once and for all.

Comparing the current hyped up "super team" to SEN individually:

TenZ < Marved (heavily debatable, but I don't wanna give off the impression that I'm biased, I think this is justified)
Zellsis >= Victor
Zekken = Demon1
Sacy > Crashies
JohnQT > Ethan (one of them is an actual IGL lol)
Pancada > Marved (TenZ can't be replaced for obvious reasons, but this bit is still true)

it's pretty much a sweep honestly. idk why we're hyping up the same org that got 0-4'd by Billy Billy just because Demon1 & Ethan joined even though they literally dont have an IGL, and I've seen first hand what the lack of a proper IGL will do to a team full of "stars" (even though the OPTIC core is super washed). Like what super team is there if the team just isn't that super no? Ppl really wanna hype up Ethan to be the IGL even though Boostio has always been the one making the crucial calls on EG, like lets be fr guys lol.

I cannot any more hide
Sentinels is my pride
Redemption arc or I do ......
I the groom, dapr my bride
SicK will always be my side
Rawkus will guide, ShahZam decide
Zombs is the anchor we provide
Tenz do wee woo and opponents died
Sentinels is my pride
I cannot any more hide

finally got the sen flair kekw

2 months later:
Thats it. That seals the deal. Im no longer a SEN fan. I’ve been a fan since 2020 and a twitch prime sub since 2021. I will no longer watch them play nor renew my tier 3 sub to TenZ. I’m taking my fanhood to NRG where they actually know how to run a team.

kitsuneHP [#4]

2 months later:
Thats it. That seals the deal. Im no longer a SEN fan. I’ve been a fan since 2020 and a twitch prime sub since 2021. I will no longer watch them play nor renew my tier 3 sub to TenZ. I’m taking my fanhood to NRG where they actually know how to run a team.

if sm1 switches up that easily then they were never a true SEN fan, dont compare me to them like that

This is pure delusion ngl

Asuna_Yuuki [#6]

This is pure delusion ngl

not rly lol

Asuna_Yuuki [#6]

This is pure delusion ngl

Ironic from you I can just imagine u talking like xqc and thinking u actually have good opinions

CAN U FEEL MYY HEAAAAARRRTT
TEEET TEETT TEETT TEETT TEETT TEEEETT

Zerphyr1 [#2]

I cannot any more hide
Sentinels is my pride
Redemption arc or I do ......
I the groom, dapr my bride
SicK will always be my side
Rawkus will guide, ShahZam decide
Zombs is the anchor we provide
Tenz do wee woo and opponents died
Sentinels is my pride
I cannot any more hide

What the fuck 😭😭

BoF7ooM [#10]

What the fuck 😭😭

amazing is it not?

Marved is better than both Tenz/Pancada. And while zekken is immensely talented, can't say he's equal to demon1 when we just saw demon1 doming the best players in the world in peak form just a few months ago. Everything else is defendable.

TenZ < Marved (heavily debatable, but I don't wanna give off the impression that I'm biased, I think this is justified)
Zellsis >= Victor
Zekken < Demon1
Sacy > Crashies (deb
JohnQT = Ethan (Haven't seen ethans igl skills yet but not considering the igl aspect than Ethan is better)

marved > pancada but pancada aint even on roster anymore

Ryuma09 [#8]

Ironic from you I can just imagine u talking like xqc and thinking u actually have good opinions

Nah bro in what world is SEN better than NRG individually

NRG have 5 world champions 2 of which are reigning world champions

They also have 2 of the most consistent players in VALORANT who have made pretty much every single valorant LAN and performed

And they also have the best controller NA

SEN haven’t even qualified to a LAN in 2 years and now people are rating them above the goated players of NRG just because of an offseason tournament?

That is delusion

Tell me how SEN are better than NRG

Asuna_Yuuki [#6]

This is pure delusion ngl

u r delusional. u r the most delusional in vlr actually.

pessi_41 [#15]

u r delusional. u r the most delusional in vlr actually.

How?

Marved > TenZ (self explanatory)
Demon1 > Zekken (reigning world champions mvp best player itw)
Ethan > Zellsis (reigning world champion, best flash support init itw)
Crashies > sacy (was one of the best initiator players last year while sacy had a terrible year)
Victor > Johnqt (victor has had better performances against better teams. Johnqt still needs to prove himself at a tier 1 level)
Chet > Kaplan (self explanatory)

What did I say that was wrong

I use logic to back up my claims

Instead of calling me delusional say why I am wrong

And bro even you yourself said SEN is #8 americas so clearly you don’t think they are that good

How is TenZ vs Marved debatable lmao that 32k game doesnt mean shit when marved dropped 35 on an international major 🤣🤣🤣

Zekken = Demon1 🤣🤣🤣 bro you're already biased 🤣🤣 theres no way theyre equal where one led the team to a trophy while the otherncouldnt even win lcq 🤣🤣🤣

Pancada > Marved you do realize Marved had more impact than pancada ever had on the team even while igling 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The only debatle one here is zellsis vs victor and ethan vs johnqt 🤣🤣🤣

"overhyped when they got 0-4'd by blg" Blg would do the same to sentiluls 🤣🤣🤣 Also how is it not a superteam to have world class players just because they have no igl, just because a team has no igl doesnt mean they are bad look at prx they dropped benkai for something and went 2nd in champs while also having forsaken and d4v4i to call when they were never igls at all, if having igls was the case then on paper prx should be a bad team while sentinels roster with dephh should do better but that wasnt the case now wss it🤣🤣🤣 it will only take time for ethan to become a great igl 🤣🤣🤣🤣 stop the cope sentiluls will crumble in 2024

TL;DR: you are a sentilul fanboy and you made a shit comparison

TenZ < Marved (heavily debatable, but I don't wanna give off the impression that I'm biased, I think this is justified)
Zellsis >= Victor
Zekken > Demon1
Sacy > Crashies
JohnQT > Ethan (one of them is an actual IGL lol)
Pancada > Marved (TenZ can't be replaced for obvious reasons, but this bit is still true)

Asuna_Yuuki [#16]

How?

Marved > TenZ (self explanatory)
Demon1 > Zekken (reigning world champions mvp best player itw)
Ethan > Zellsis (reigning world champion, best flash support init itw)
Crashies > sacy (was one of the best initiator players last year while sacy had a terrible year)
Victor > Johnqt (victor has had better performances against better teams. Johnqt still needs to prove himself at a tier 1 level)
Chet > Kaplan (self explanatory)

What did I say that was wrong

I use logic to back up my claims

Instead of calling me delusional say why I am wrong

And bro even you yourself said SEN is #8 americas so clearly you don’t think they are that good

I am not justifying this thread . but ur the most delusional from my earlier thread. so u r saying someone delusional is pure joke

Asuna_Yuuki [#16]

How?

Marved > TenZ (self explanatory)
Demon1 > Zekken (reigning world champions mvp best player itw)
Ethan > Zellsis (reigning world champion, best flash support init itw)
Crashies > sacy (was one of the best initiator players last year while sacy had a terrible year)
Victor > Johnqt (victor has had better performances against better teams. Johnqt still needs to prove himself at a tier 1 level)
Chet > Kaplan (self explanatory)

What did I say that was wrong

I use logic to back up my claims

Instead of calling me delusional say why I am wrong

And bro even you yourself said SEN is #8 americas so clearly you don’t think they are that good

And bro even you yourself said SEN is #8 americas so clearly you don’t think they are that good

I made that comment from last season. I didn't claim we are the super team, no 1 like u. that's why u r delusional.

pessi_41 [#19]

I am not justifying this thread . but ur the most delusional from my earlier thread. so u r saying someone delusional is pure joke

What did I say exactly that was delusional?

Said nothing but facts

pessi_41 [#20]

And bro even you yourself said SEN is #8 americas so clearly you don’t think they are that good

I made that comment from last season. I didn't claim we are the super team, no 1 like u. that's why u r delusional.

Saying NRG is #1 Americas is justified

You could literally make a case for everyone on the team being #1 Americas at their role

Asuna_Yuuki [#22]

Saying NRG is #1 Americas is justified

You could literally make a case for everyone on the team being #1 Americas at their role

u just proved my point that u r delusional. ty

pessi_41 [#23]

u just proved my point that u r delusional. ty

Marved ethan and demon1 are #1 Americas at their roles no questions asked

Crashies’s only competition is cauanzin and c0m and I would give him the edge because of his sheer consistency throughout the year

And there aren’t many good sentinels NA so I’ll admit Victor is second best behind less at Sentinel

It is not delusional at all to say NRG have the best players in Americas

Bro getting 4-0ed by Blg is infinitely better than not even qualifying for LAN

I can only imagine what would have happened to SEN if they played BLG

Asuna_Yuuki [#24]

Marved ethan and demon1 are #1 Americas at their roles no questions asked

Crashies’s only competition is cauanzin and c0m and I would give him the edge because of his sheer consistency throughout the year

And there aren’t many good sentinels NA so I’ll admit Victor is second best behind less at Sentinel

It is not delusional at all to say NRG have the best players in Americas

bro I end my argument here. there is nothing to argue when someone is delusional and biased as u. ty 👍

pessi_41 [#26]

bro I end my argument here. there is nothing to argue when someone is delusional and biased as u. ty 👍

You are ending your “argument” because you have no argument

Im just using objective analysis to come to this conclusion

Instead of telling me why I am wrong you just say “delusional” because all of the reasoning supports my claim

Asuna_Yuuki [#27]

You are ending your “argument” because you have no argument

Im just using objective analysis to come to this conclusion

Instead of telling me why I am wrong you just say “delusional” because all of the reasoning supports my claim

thanks again fot proving my point that u r delusional. I accept that a delusional person will never understand he is that. that's fact. I have full thread of arguments. check how others responded u. u may continue. but I have works to do. gg

Zerphyr1 [#2]

I cannot any more hide
Sentinels is my pride
Redemption arc or I do ......
I the groom, dapr my bride
SicK will always be my side
Rawkus will guide, ShahZam decide
Zombs is the anchor we provide
Tenz do wee woo and opponents died
Sentinels is my pride
I cannot any more hide

vergilius and shakespear look like kindergarteners when compared to this

Asuna_Yuuki [#24]

Marved ethan and demon1 are #1 Americas at their roles no questions asked

Crashies’s only competition is cauanzin and c0m and I would give him the edge because of his sheer consistency throughout the year

And there aren’t many good sentinels NA so I’ll admit Victor is second best behind less at Sentinel

It is not delusional at all to say NRG have the best players in Americas

Calling Crashes better than c0m in 2023 is the biggest joke I have ever heard

Asuna_Yuuki [#16]

How?

Marved > TenZ (self explanatory)
Demon1 > Zekken (reigning world champions mvp best player itw)
Ethan > Zellsis (reigning world champion, best flash support init itw)
Crashies > sacy (was one of the best initiator players last year while sacy had a terrible year)
Victor > Johnqt (victor has had better performances against better teams. Johnqt still needs to prove himself at a tier 1 level)
Chet > Kaplan (self explanatory)

What did I say that was wrong

I use logic to back up my claims

Instead of calling me delusional say why I am wrong

And bro even you yourself said SEN is #8 americas so clearly you don’t think they are that good

Imo a better comparison is

Marved > Tenz
Demon1 > Zekken
Victor < Zellsis ( Its not close, for 2023)
Ethan = Sacy (This is somewhat dubious)
Crashies < Johnqt ( Come on you really think a secondary caller is comparable to a proper IGL?)

Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#17]

How is TenZ vs Marved debatable lmao that 32k game doesnt mean shit when marved dropped 35 on an international major 🤣🤣🤣

Zekken = Demon1 🤣🤣🤣 bro you're already biased 🤣🤣 theres no way theyre equal where one led the team to a trophy while the otherncouldnt even win lcq 🤣🤣🤣

Pancada > Marved you do realize Marved had more impact than pancada ever had on the team even while igling 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The only debatle one here is zellsis vs victor and ethan vs johnqt 🤣🤣🤣

"overhyped when they got 0-4'd by blg" Blg would do the same to sentiluls 🤣🤣🤣 Also how is it not a superteam to have world class players just because they have no igl, just because a team has no igl doesnt mean they are bad look at prx they dropped benkai for something and went 2nd in champs while also having forsaken and d4v4i to call when they were never igls at all, if having igls was the case then on paper prx should be a bad team while sentinels roster with dephh should do better but that wasnt the case now wss it🤣🤣🤣 it will only take time for ethan to become a great igl 🤣🤣🤣🤣 stop the cope sentiluls will crumble in 2024

TL;DR: you are a sentilul fanboy and you made a shit comparison

I dont think you get it about IGL, rest is your opinion, enjoy it. But a chaotic team like PRX dont really need an IGL, but that is not the case with NRG, whose play style revolves around antistratting. This play style definitely requires an IGL who can also antistrat mid round. Crashies may be a good secondary caller, but FNS was still the IGL who made the antistrats, so I dont really expect NRG to have amazing success unless their play style or team roles change.

Senfanboy [#31]

Imo a better comparison is

Marved > Tenz
Demon1 > Zekken
Victor < Zellsis ( Its not close, for 2023)
Ethan = Sacy (This is somewhat dubious)
Crashies < Johnqt ( Come on you really think a secondary caller is comparable to a proper IGL?)

Bruv

Zellsis had much worse stats in Americas league compared to compared

Victor also attended all LANs and played insane

In what world is Zellsis better than Victor?

There are literally 0 results/stats that can prove zellsis is better than Victor

What is your logic

Victor #3 ranked player during regular season
#8 ranked for the whole league

Victor is so clear

After reading some of these posts Victor might be the most underrated player in the world

Also ethan > sacy is self explanatory. There shouldn’t even be a debate

Senfanboy [#32]

I dont think you get it about IGL, rest is your opinion, enjoy it. But a chaotic team like PRX dont really need an IGL, but that is not the case with NRG, whose play style revolves around antistratting. This play style definitely requires an IGL who can also antistrat mid round. Crashies may be a good secondary caller, but FNS was still the IGL who made the antistrats, so I dont really expect NRG to have amazing success unless their play style or team roles change.

Bro its not impossible to learn to igl

Especially for experienced players such as the NRG players

Senfanboy [#30]

Calling Crashes better than c0m in 2023 is the biggest joke I have ever heard

Why?

Crashies was much better in LOCK IN and Americas and they had a similar performance in Tokyo

Albeit c0m was definitely better at champs

I give crashies the edge because he has done it for longer, more consistently, and through more iterations of rosters

zekken is a really really good player but Sentinels had a shit 2023 and a fairly good off season.
Demon1 literally won champions as the best duelist at that event, there is no shot they are equal right now, maybe in the future but right now it aint close

johnqt cannot be > then ethan because ethan is the best scan initiator in the world right now

Asuna_Yuuki [#22]

Saying NRG is #1 Americas is justified

You could literally make a case for everyone on the team being #1 Americas at their role

Sentinels were a "Teri 1 team" last year but obviously they weren't. We can say NRG is the Number one team in the Americans but we don't know, we haven't seen them play and demon1 and Ethan were number 1 on Eg when they had a Goated IGL and Coach. Although we have seen Sen play and they have been killing it. Not dropping a match since the ludwig x Tarik thing Evan destroying Prx,Drx and T1

Hopium123 [#37]

Sentinels were a "Teri 1 team" last year but obviously they weren't. We can say NRG is the Number one team in the Americans but we don't know, we haven't seen them play and demon1 and Ethan were number 1 on Eg when they had a Goated IGL and Coach. Although we have seen Sen play and they have been killing it. Not dropping a match since the ludwig x Tarik thing Evan destroying Prx,Drx and T1

Obviously we can’t conclusively say that any team is the “best” until we’ve seen them play

I’m just saying that in theory/on paper, NRG should be the best VCT Americas team

Asuna_Yuuki [#33]

Bruv

Zellsis had much worse stats in Americas league compared to compared

Victor also attended all LANs and played insane

In what world is Zellsis better than Victor?

There are literally 0 results/stats that can prove zellsis is better than Victor

What is your logic

Victor #3 ranked player during regular season
#8 ranked for the whole league

Victor is so clear

After reading some of these posts Victor might be the most underrated player in the world

Also ethan > sacy is self explanatory. There shouldn’t even be a debate

If youre saying that the upcoming NRG players are gonna be good individually then yeah I think they're better than sentinels but If you're talking about team wise then that I don't think I can agree since I do believe on the belief of 'Right team member>Best players'
since theres been many cases where the best players fell off and risen with the right or wrong team member. But hey, in the end its not that serious

Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#17]

How is TenZ vs Marved debatable lmao that 32k game doesnt mean shit when marved dropped 35 on an international major 🤣🤣🤣

Zekken = Demon1 🤣🤣🤣 bro you're already biased 🤣🤣 theres no way theyre equal where one led the team to a trophy while the otherncouldnt even win lcq 🤣🤣🤣

Pancada > Marved you do realize Marved had more impact than pancada ever had on the team even while igling 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The only debatle one here is zellsis vs victor and ethan vs johnqt 🤣🤣🤣

"overhyped when they got 0-4'd by blg" Blg would do the same to sentiluls 🤣🤣🤣 Also how is it not a superteam to have world class players just because they have no igl, just because a team has no igl doesnt mean they are bad look at prx they dropped benkai for something and went 2nd in champs while also having forsaken and d4v4i to call when they were never igls at all, if having igls was the case then on paper prx should be a bad team while sentinels roster with dephh should do better but that wasnt the case now wss it🤣🤣🤣 it will only take time for ethan to become a great igl 🤣🤣🤣🤣 stop the cope sentiluls will crumble in 2024

TL;DR: you are a sentilul fanboy and you made a shit comparison

really dont know why were getting this emotional here over a civil discussion, really shows how immature you are as an individual really. Everything you've said in this reply makes no sense at all.

Asuna_Yuuki [#38]

Obviously we can’t conclusively say that any team is the “best” until we’ve seen them play

I’m just saying that in theory/on paper, NRG should be the best VCT Americas team

So for now Sen in the #1 team until we see other wise

Hopium123 [#42]

So for now Sen in the #1 team until we see other wise

How?

SEN have not done anything lol

Asuna_Yuuki [#43]

How?

SEN have not done anything lol

Eg doesn't exist anymore and Cloud9 lost to fucking Furia witch are also ass. We don't know 100t or I don't know 100t roster but there current roster lost to Sen in Lcq and aren't very good too begin with. KRU lost to us Evan when we didn't have an igl so I'm sure we can beat them now especially if we played like we did in Korea. We don't know about Loud/NRG Sense
we haven't seen them play but we except them to be decent. ( I don't think they will be as good as they were this year) and Mibr just suck. So with the information that we have Sen is currently the best team in there America's, although on paper the rumored NRG team might be better

Hopium123 [#44]

Eg doesn't exist anymore and Cloud9 lost to fucking Furia witch are also ass. We don't know 100t or I don't know 100t roster but there current roster lost to Sen in Lcq and aren't very good too begin with. KRU lost to us Evan when we didn't have an igl so I'm sure we can beat them now especially if we played like we did in Korea. We don't know about Loud/NRG Sense
we haven't seen them play but we except them to be decent. ( I don't think they will be as good as they were this year) and Mibr just suck. So with the information that we have Sen is currently the best team in there America's, although on paper the rumored NRG team might be better

First time I've read MIBR being mentioned. They really need to step up their game at something man.

Unfortunately suck ingame and in terms of presence

Senfanboy [#32]

I dont think you get it about IGL, rest is your opinion, enjoy it. But a chaotic team like PRX dont really need an IGL, but that is not the case with NRG, whose play style revolves around antistratting. This play style definitely requires an IGL who can also antistrat mid round. Crashies may be a good secondary caller, but FNS was still the IGL who made the antistrats, so I dont really expect NRG to have amazing success unless their play style or team roles change.

that wasnt point tho

my point is that even prx with no igl their players were able to step up and do the calls for the team, any good player will be able to adapt to big changes and a member on nrg taking the igl role is likely no exception these guys have played at the highest level of valorant so idk why would people assume ethan or crashies would not be a good igl at all.

happiness_ [#41]

really dont know why were getting this emotional here over a civil discussion, really shows how immature you are as an individual really. Everything you've said in this reply makes no sense at all.

How does it not make sense when you literally compared Zekken to Demon1? How is Zekken equal to Demon1 can you actually explain what makes them on par with each other?

You also said TenZ vs Marved is heavily debatable? There's a clear gap between the two in terms of smoking. You must forgot that that 32k was just an off-season event.

Pancada > Marved? Did you even watched Americas League? Marved joined and made the team perform better before leaving, where as Pancada, barely got impact, he literally got benched for Zellsis.

How do you even doubt NRG for having no igl but call Sentinels the true superteam for having "stars" even after falling flat for two years despite every change?

damn the copium

Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#47]

How does it not make sense when you literally compared Zekken to Demon1? How is Zekken equal to Demon1 can you actually explain what makes them on par with each other?

You also said TenZ vs Marved is heavily debatable? There's a clear gap between the two in terms of smoking. You must forgot that that 32k was just an off-season event.

Pancada > Marved? Did you even watched Americas League? Marved joined and made the team perform better before leaving, where as Pancada, barely got impact, he literally got benched for Zellsis.

How do you even doubt NRG for having no igl but call Sentinels the true superteam for having "stars" even after falling flat for two years despite every change?

That off-season event Match was against Prime PRX but what does it matter it was just an off-season tournament

Is this yoyoyo

Hopium123 [#49]

That off-season event Match was against Prime PRX but what does it matter it was just an off-season tournament

It wasnt even prx bro 🤣🤣🤣 it was against drx you absolute moron 🤣🤣🤣 plus bro said prime prx 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Nt bro but atleast get the matches correct 🤣🤣🤣

happiness_ [#5]

if sm1 switches up that easily then they were never a true SEN fan, dont compare me to them like that

its a copypasta

Asuna_Yuuki [#35]

Why?

Crashies was much better in LOCK IN and Americas and they had a similar performance in Tokyo

Albeit c0m was definitely better at champs

I give crashies the edge because he has done it for longer, more consistently, and through more iterations of rosters

so according to ur logic, aspas derke buzz ardiis all better than demon1. because they are in thr scene for long time and played more lans more consistently. 👏 ur logic and ur statements doesn't go together. who cares tho 🥱

Asuna_Yuuki [#14]

Nah bro in what world is SEN better than NRG individually

NRG have 5 world champions 2 of which are reigning world champions

They also have 2 of the most consistent players in VALORANT who have made pretty much every single valorant LAN and performed

And they also have the best controller NA

SEN haven’t even qualified to a LAN in 2 years and now people are rating them above the goated players of NRG just because of an offseason tournament?

That is delusion

Tell me how SEN are better than NRG

? When did I mention sen read my post again ur calling someone else delusional while being more delusional then him

Ryuma09 [#54]

? When did I mention sen read my post again ur calling someone else delusional while being more delusional then him

Replied to wrong post sorry

Dunno wtf I just saw.
This is more realistic.

Demon > Zekken
Marved = Pancada > Tenz
Ethan > Johnqt
Victor = Zellsis
Crashies = Sacy

kekw

Zellsis is not good and is not a serious competitor