watching this map legit just shows how professional valorant is not even at the tip of the iceberg yet. it's been 3 years and teams are still addicted to making the stupidest mistakes; i don't understand how this is still possible for the 2 best performing teams in the world atm
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NANNE [#2]Everyone is still human, mistakes are part of our lives (even if you are trained/conditioned to not do said mistakes).
look at other esports like cs man (even tho cs has been out for 11 yrs) i just don't see how professional players can make silly decisions like this on a CONSISTENT basis
MourninggStarr [#5]bro if you want perfection just watch AI vs AI at that point. perfection becomes boring, mistakes are what makes us human and exciting
insane strawman argument LMAO, have u watched this bind map???? ur telling me this is a reflection of the best teamplay in the world right
peppreish [#4]look at other esports like cs man (even tho cs has been out for 11 yrs) i just don't see how professional players can make silly decisions like this on a CONSISTENT basis
Valorant entire tier1 scene is made of subpar CS players, they have worse fundamentals
Moiraine [#3]Everyone makes mistakes... Yeah no shit valorant is not perfected yet, 3 years into his lifespan.
But even 10 years from now, people will still make mistakes they're not robots
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peppreish [#7]insane strawman argument LMAO, have u watched this bind map???? ur telling me this is a reflection of the best teamplay in the world right
i think teams are so used to playing in a monotone 'right' way of playing.Having variables like this throws them off.
Olofboost [#8]Valorant entire tier1 scene is made of subpar CS players, they have worse fundamentals
fair argument but stuff like this should be drilled into the head of any player in t1 no? like i understand certain mistakes (like s0m on pearl) but the outlandish boneheaded plays are not "mistakes", they're just a result of terrible discipline imo
peppreish [#4]look at other esports like cs man (even tho cs has been out for 11 yrs) i just don't see how professional players can make silly decisions like this on a CONSISTENT basis
what tier 1 cs teams literally losing to tier 2 cs teams lol
Ausam [#10]i think teams are so used to playing in a monotone 'right' way of playing.Having variables like this throws them off.
fair enough, the nerves could be a factor also but it's just something ive noticed a lot in this game idk why
Ullyr [#12]what tier 1 cs teams literally losing to tier 2 cs teams lol
Because tier2 cs teams have smarter players than tier1 valorant teams
Olofboost [#14]Because tier2 cs teams have smarter players than tier1 valorant teams
nah cause tier 1 cs teams are paycheck stealers that's why they keep recycling players. Quality is just down across the board.
Ullyr [#12]what tier 1 cs teams literally losing to tier 2 cs teams lol
what does that have to do with what i said? "t1" teams lost at the major because they weren't the best anymore; legit barely any relevance to what i said
Ullyr [#16]nah cause tier 1 cs teams are paycheck stealers that's why they keep recycling players. Quality is just down across the board.
Very few are paycheck stealers, overwhelming majority deserve to be there
Ullyr [#15]tier 1 cs teams losing to tier 2 cs teams LUL no mistakes
nobody said they made no mistakes, can u read LMAO
peppreish [#17]what does that have to do with what i said? "t1" teams lost at the major because they weren't the best anymore; legit barely any relevance to what i said
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"look at other esports like cs man (even tho cs has been out for 11 yrs) i just don't see how professional players can make silly decisions like this on a CONSISTENT basis"
Entire tier 1 scene teams bunch of silly mistake leading to fluke runs. Cry more bro. Its even worse in cs now.
peppreish [#19]nobody said they made no mistakes, can u read LMAO
"look at other esports like cs man (even tho cs has been out for 11 yrs) i just don't see how professional players can make silly decisions like this on a CONSISTENT basis"
This is what you type. You literally a walking contradiction. you brain dead bot.
Ullyr [#20]????
"look at other esports like cs man (even tho cs has been out for 11 yrs) i just don't see how professional players can make silly decisions like this on a CONSISTENT basis"
Entire tier 1 scene teams bunch of silly mistake leading to fluke runs. Cry more bro. Its even worse in cs now.
there is not a single team or match in t1 cs (esp in a major) where teams have made the same level of game altering boneheaded plays like this match or just in valorant in general
what do i even have to cry about ??? like it's just an observation idk what you're missing
Ullyr [#21]"look at other esports like cs man (even tho cs has been out for 11 yrs) i just don't see how professional players can make silly decisions like this on a CONSISTENT basis"
This is what you type. You literally a walking contradiction. you brain dead bot.
DID YOU NOT READ THE LAST PART? THERE IS NO WAY UR NOT TROLLING HOLY SHIT
peppreish [#22]there is not a single team or match in t1 cs (esp in a major) where teams have made the same level of game altering boneheaded plays like this match or just in valorant in general
what do i even have to cry about ??? like it's just an observation idk what you're missing
you're actually braindead if they don't make mistakes how they keep consistently losing to random tier 2 and tier 3 teams? They're literally consider tier 1 teams at a major. Vitality had such a free final cause of it.
peppreish [#4]look at other esports like cs man (even tho cs has been out for 11 yrs) i just don't see how professional players can make silly decisions like this on a CONSISTENT basis
"i just don't see how professional players can make silly decisions like this on a CONSISTENT basis"
It's worse in CS, trust me. There's a player called NiKo whose team choked at map/match point in major grand finals TWICE. Both on 15 (scoreline needs to be 16-14 to win the map without OT). And a shit ton of other players.
So many players make mistakes, and I don't understand why people flame players for making mistakes; they're only human. I doubt you have the strength to be in the Grand Finals of Masters trying to win. You'd bottle it, just like everyone else in this forum. Everyone hates on players but don't have the balls to actually do it themselves and experience what it's like to be in their shoes.
peppreish [#23]DID YOU NOT READ THE LAST PART? THERE IS NO WAY UR NOT TROLLING HOLY SHIT
your iq is room temperature. You type it and can't see how wrong you are. You're actually a braindead troll and should go back to hltv.
Ullyr [#24]you're actually braindead if they don't make mistakes how they keep consistently losing to random tier 2 and tier 3 teams? They're literally consider tier 1 teams at a major. Vitality had such a free final cause of it.
mistakes are legit part of the game dumbass, thats not what im referring to. there is obviously a spectrum of severity when it comes to certain mistakes and valorant players are still prone to making the stupidest decisions possible compared to any other esport
i don't get why ur still making this stupid strawman argument
Ullyr [#16]nah cause tier 1 cs teams are paycheck stealers that's why they keep recycling players. Quality is just down across the board.
Tier2 cs scene is very strong right now, stronger than ever
Archie___ [#25]"i just don't see how professional players can make silly decisions like this on a CONSISTENT basis"
It's worse in CS, trust me. There's a player called NiKo whose team choked at map/match point in major grand finals TWICE. Both on 15 (scoreline needs to be 16-14 to win the map without OT). And a shit ton of other players.
So many players make mistakes, and I don't understand why people flame players for making mistakes; they're only human. I doubt you have the strength to be in the Grand Finals of Masters trying to win. You'd bottle it, just like everyone else in this forum. Everyone hates on players but don't have the balls to actually do it themselves and experience what it's like to be in their shoes.
this isn't specific to grand finals tho? and niko didn't choke by making a bad play, he just whiffed??? how is that comparable man
this is a problem in legit every tier of the game and it's obvious that teams need to work on disciplining their players more, like surely u dont' disagree with that
Olofboost [#8]Valorant entire tier1 scene is made of subpar CS players, they have worse fundamentals
Its not worse fundamentals. The only thing you get from playing CS is better aim. because for Valorant Its a different game, Difference pace, Difference maps, Abilities.
Ullyr [#26]your iq is room temperature. You type it and can't see how wrong you are. You're actually a braindead troll and should go back to hltv.
me when i construct a strawman argument because i can't refute the main talking point 💀
Archie___ [#25]"i just don't see how professional players can make silly decisions like this on a CONSISTENT basis"
It's worse in CS, trust me. There's a player called NiKo whose team choked at map/match point in major grand finals TWICE. Both on 15 (scoreline needs to be 16-14 to win the map without OT). And a shit ton of other players.
So many players make mistakes, and I don't understand why people flame players for making mistakes; they're only human. I doubt you have the strength to be in the Grand Finals of Masters trying to win. You'd bottle it, just like everyone else in this forum. Everyone hates on players but don't have the balls to actually do it themselves and experience what it's like to be in their shoes.
He's saying mistakes Valorant players make are much more stupid than mistakes of CS players
peppreish [#13]fair enough, the nerves could be a factor also but it's just something ive noticed a lot in this game idk why
yeah the reyna pick threw them off a little,these little lurk spots they dont expect but they brought it back
peppreish [#27]mistakes are legit part of the game dumbass, thats not what im referring to. there is obviously a spectrum of severity when it comes to certain mistakes and valorant players are still prone to making the stupidest decisions possible compared to any other esport
i don't get why ur still making this stupid strawman argument
lol just valorant players when Csgo tier 1 teams keep losing to trash teams. Bro you're so cooked actually so braindead you can't even see how dumb you are.
Olofboost [#32]He's saying mistakes Valorant players make are much more stupid than mistakes of CS players
thank you lmao, like im open to debate and i'm willing to admit im wrong but just stating irrelevant examples and creating strawman arguments is just stupid IMO
LilRickyy [#30]Its not worse fundamentals. The only thing you get from playing CS is better aim. because for Valorant Its a different game, Difference pace, Difference maps, Abilities.
Trading, crosshair placement, power positions (positioning in general), map rotations. All these skills are transferred from CS, the worse you understand them, the more dumb mistakes you make.
Ullyr [#34]lol just valorant players when Csgo tier 1 teams keep losing to trash teams. Bro you're so cooked actually so braindead you can't even see how dumb you are.
ur entire argument is "t1 cs teams lose to trash teams so that means valorant players don't make way more mistakes than other esport players" how does that not sound stupid as fuck to you man
Olofboost [#36]Trading, crosshair placement, power positions (positioning in general), map rotations. All these skills are transferred from CS, the worse you understand them, the more dumb mistakes you make.
This is a basic understanding of the game, you rarely see this happening but csgo frogs love to act like every cs player is a robot
Olofboost [#36]Trading, crosshair placement, power positions (positioning in general), map rotations. All these skills are transferred from CS, the worse you understand them, the more dumb mistakes you make.
i cant believe these kids disagree with this. clueless
peppreish [#37]ur entire argument is "t1 cs teams lose to trash teams so that means valorant players don't make way more mistakes than other esport players" how does that not sound stupid as fuck to you man
how does your comment that only valorant players make these mistakes when top csgo players and team consistently dropping games to trash team consistent to you man? You sound stupid as fk
loloscum [#38]This is a basic understanding of the game, you rarely see this happening but csgo frogs love to act like every cs player is a robot
"Basic understanding of the game" is not something everyone has at equal level.
Olofboost [#36]Trading, crosshair placement, power positions (positioning in general), map rotations. All these skills are transferred from CS, the worse you understand them, the more dumb mistakes you make.
Please explain how having good positioning on CS will give you good positioning on Valorant, A different game with different maps
LilRickyy [#42]Please explain how having good positioning on CS will give you good positioning on Valorant, A different game with different maps
WIth enough time spent playing Valorant, inherently better positioning players will make a lot less mistakes than others. Usually these players were also great at CS before. It's about understanding where enemy goes and what he does, map layout is just a variable.
Olofboost [#41]"Basic understanding of the game" is not something everyone has at equal level.
Agreed. But at pro level? Yes it is. I do agree they sometimes make mistakes but they're more complex and fit more in macro situations and not just 'oh no trade' when theres multiple factors, you're basically hating to hate.
loloscum [#44]Agreed. But at pro level? Yes it is. I do agree they sometimes make mistakes but they're more complex and fit more in macro situations and not just 'oh no trade' when theres multiple factors, you're basically hating to hate.
Complex mistakes are the direct result of Valorant players being supbar. It barely happens in CS.
Olofboost [#45]Complex mistakes are the direct result of Valorant players being supbar. It barely happens in CS.
You're sucking cs balls too much, ive been watching pro cs since 2016 and they make so many mistakes, its crazy for you to say they dont, i dont know why you'd cap so hard
loloscum [#46]You're sucking cs balls too much, ive been watching pro cs since 2016 and they make so many mistakes, its crazy for you to say they dont, i dont know why you'd cap so hard
CS level in 2016 to around 2019 has been indeed lacking. But after covid/online era, teams have started playing at amazing level. Tier2 scene developed so much that they're almost equal to tier1 now, the gap that was before doesn't exist anymore.
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