lets be consistent

im not sure if this is the same situation, but if 2022 masters reyjavik is a fluke,

since FPX was prohibited

and Derke had covid

and Gambit being heavily nerfed by russia ukraine,

if PRX do not win (since smth11 isnt there), it could also be classified as a fluke if FNC/EG win.

this situation only applies if you agree with Reykjavik 2022 being a fluke, if you don't agree, then it's not a fluke.

PS: just remember, FPX won CPH after being refused Reykjavik, and suygetsu was also late to the tourney so FPX had to do a lower bracket run, just like smth was unable to go.

Fluke if FNC win for sure

im having seizure reading allat sory

waffler

geometrix [#3]

im having seizure reading allat sory

FNC FPX nerfed reyjavik = prx nerfed here.

Neither are flukes, but it def made it easier for fnc to win.

Fnc, similar to optic were already title contenders. Who knows if prx or fpx wouldve won their respective events but they still won.

???? ah yes because 5 players are equivelent to one newer player and also fnatic had 2 subs :/ dont get me wrong, something would have had a larger impact but you cant say hes worth a whole team

So you're saying when NA won EMEA teams had issues. So when fnatic are winning why are you bringing up other regions? Nrg lost to prx with a sub and if eg loses too and if fnatic wins then fnatic would win 2 times over the teams where you lost to. So idk what you're saying here

acels [#4]

waffler

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Cresp [#6]

Neither are flukes, but it def made it easier for fnc to win.

Fnc, similar to optic were already title contenders. Who knows if prx or fpx wouldve won their respective events but they still won.

it could also definitely make it easier for EG to win but its not over yet. the same could be said if D1 was prohibited.

AllMight [#8]

So you're saying when NA won EMEA teams had issues. So when fnatic are winning why are you bringing up other regions? Nrg lost to prx with a sub and if eg loses too and if fnatic wins then fnatic would win 2 times over the teams where you lost to. So idk what you're saying here

thats exactly what im saying

EMEA had issues therefore they lost masters 1

here, its the same thing,

PRX had issues, thats why they lost (not yet obvs)

Abydaby [#7]

???? ah yes because 5 players are equivelent to one newer player and also fnatic had 2 subs :/ dont get me wrong, something would have had a larger impact but you cant say hes worth a whole team

when alfajer was subbed due to covid, FNC had an incredibly close series vs BBL. kamyk, although putting up good numbers, was not the same as alfa, and the synergy was definitely off. the same situation could be applied here.

h786 [#11]

thats exactly what im saying

EMEA had issues therefore they lost masters 1

here, its the same thing,

PRX had issues, thats why they lost (not yet obvs)

I'm saying NA was fluke because 3 of EMEA teams went through shit. But here all the teams from Americas are doing just fine. If prx loses 0-3 then I'd agree it became easier for them but tbf fnatic gave very less rounds to prx and if eg also loses to prx then it pretty much means fnatic has beat every team in top 4 comfortably. So idk how you're getting all these excuses from

h786 [#12]

when alfajer was subbed due to covid, FNC had an incredibly close series vs BBL. kamyk, although putting up good numbers, was not the same as alfa, and the synergy was definitely off. the same situation could be applied here.

Yes I understand that but you are comparing the literal winners of emea before Reykjavik that were title contenders to synergy issues. I think paperex have done an amazing job so far but you cant just call this tournament a fluke because 1 PLAYER could not attend compared to iceland where 7 players could not attend and we had G2 as emea's 1st seed 😭

AllMight [#13]

I'm saying NA was fluke because 3 of EMEA teams went through shit. But here all the teams from Americas are doing just fine. If prx loses 0-3 then I'd agree it became easier for them but tbf fnatic gave very less rounds to prx and if eg also loses to prx then it pretty much means fnatic has beat every team in top 4 comfortably. So idk how you're getting all these excuses from

see #12 and this. FNC lost 2 maps in the group stage. 1 of which was vs BBL in a close series. even though kamyk played well, they still looked off as cohort, due to synergy. there are protocols that you get comfy as 5, when you are used to each other.

i remember when this argument was made in 2022 before CPH, people were adamant that reykjavik wasnt a fluke. but then FPX won CPH. that claim was much more viable since FPX showed what they were capable of at the time. if FPX weren't good at CPH, the claim of reykjavik being a fluke would not stand since they didnt play well at CPH anyway.

Americucks are gonna call this one a fluke after insisting for ages that optics win was legit 🤣🤣🤣.

At the end of the day FNC will win champs too so this narrative wont last more than a month or two.

Abydaby [#14]

Yes I understand that but you are comparing the literal winners of emea before Reykjavik that were title contenders to synergy issues. I think paperex have done an amazing job so far but you cant just call this tournament a fluke because 1 PLAYER could not attend compared to iceland where 7 players could not attend and we had G2 as emea's 1st seed 😭

the argument of reykjavik being a fluke would not hold up if FPX did not win CPH.

it seems that you are forgetting what impact suygetsu had at CPH. they had a sub (seider) and were struggling vs XERXIA, DRX and FNC at the time. they beat DRX 13-9, 13-5 and went on to do a lower bracket run. can you seriously tell me that FPX with seider could win CPH?

i think you are underestimating the value of synergy, chemistry and communication in teamplay.

I 100% now believe prx with something wouldve won this event.

I also believe fpx wouldve sweeped the masters optic won.

Congo1 [#16]

Americucks are gonna call this one a fluke after insisting for ages that optics win was legit 🤣🤣🤣.

At the end of the day FNC will win champs too so this narrative wont last more than a month or two.

not american.

im surprised EU isn't agreeing with this, since FPX only won masters when suygetsu arrived at CPH. before that, they were stuck with seider.

im fascinated that you do not see the same situation here.

h786 [#17]

the argument of reykjavik being a fluke would not hold up if FPX did not win CPH.

it seems that you are forgetting what impact suygetsu had at CPH. they had a sub (seider) and were struggling vs XERXIA, DRX and FNC at the time. they beat DRX 13-9, 13-5 and went on to do a lower bracket run. can you seriously tell me that FPX with seider could win CPH?

i think you are underestimating the value of synergy, chemistry and communication in teamplay.

no it STILL would because they looked the most dominant in emea at the time end of story, If you dont have your number 1 seed of a region going to a lan and having a worse team go then that tournament should be treated less seriously, listen I dont think that Reykjavik was a total fluke but the skill level was much lower than it should have been, so I'm saying is that you are valuing 1 player as the same as 7 which I find quite ludicrous, regardless of fpx's performance in CPH

Moiraine [#18]

I 100% now believe prx with something wouldve won this event.

I also believe fpx wouldve sweeped the masters optic won.

thank you for actually reading.

Abydaby [#20]

no it STILL would because they looked the most dominant in emea at the time end of story, If you dont have your number 1 seed of a region going to a lan and having a worse team go then that tournament should be treated less seriously, listen I dont think that Reykjavik was a total fluke but the skill level was much lower than it should have been, so I'm saying is that you are valuing 1 player as the same as 7 which I find quite ludicrous, regardless of fpx's performance in CPH

that number 7 dont matter. FNC proved that since they lost CPH. FPX on the other hand didn't.

its the same exact situation here. PRX were the most dominant team in APAC 1st seed with smth in playoffs, after they synergised with their new teammate.

end of story just like you said my friend.

h786 [#19]

not american.

im surprised EU isn't agreeing with this, since FPX only won masters when suygetsu arrived at CPH. before that, they were stuck with seider.

im fascinated that you do not see the same situation here.

Because its not keep coping your optic win was fluke.

brahianv [#23]

Because its not keep coping your optic win was fluke.

yes i agree.

im not american.

idk what ur trying to trigger me with bro.

but if you agree that optic was a fluke, then Tokyo is also a fluke. lets be consistent, self-aware and genuine, no?

h786 [#24]

yes i agree.

im not american.

idk what ur trying to trigger me with bro.

but if you agree that optic was a fluke, then Tokyo is also a fluke. lets be consistent, self-aware and genuine, no?

You expect them to be consistent and non biased? Get real man

Moiraine [#18]

I 100% now believe prx with something wouldve won this event.

I also believe fpx wouldve sweeped the masters optic won.

I’ll sweep your mom

yaiima0 [#26]

I’ll sweep your mom

I'll sweep you

h786 [#19]

not american.

im surprised EU isn't agreeing with this, since FPX only won masters when suygetsu arrived at CPH. before that, they were stuck with seider.

im fascinated that you do not see the same situation here.

what is blud waffling about? I didnt make an assessment on whether its true or not. I was highlighting how the narrative shift happened now after NA stopped profiting off maintaining that lie. And once again... Fnc is winning champs too so its gonna protect the value of this win in retrospect

Congo1 [#28]

what is blud waffling about? I didnt make an assessment on whether its true or not. I was highlighting how the narrative shift happened now after NA stopped profiting off maintaining that lie. And once again... Fnc is winning champs too so its gonna protect the value of this win in retrospect

thats only if... but sure if fnatic/EU wins champs then you have that right.

FPX wouldn’t have won Reykjavik and they shouldn’t have won Copenhagen but PRX was too based to play a decent Breeze comp

gamr [#30]

FPX wouldn’t have won Reykjavik and they shouldn’t have won Copenhagen but PRX was too based to play a decent Breeze comp

gamr comment ZZZZZZ

Congo1 [#31]

gamr comment ZZZZZZ

I would retort back but I don’t even know who you are

all of these "what-ifs" will never prove anything. these matches are all a coin-toss and any team can win on a good day. masters reykjavik 2022 was not a fluke and this tournament winner is not a fluke either. each of these teams worked incredibly hard to get here and it's stupid to discredit anybody's success.

bump !!!!!!!!