Why is cs production so much good like matches are so fun to watch while in val its only sometimes fun to watch?
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Glycoroldas [#4]tournaments organised by rito are like state owned enterprises, execution always ends up being shit
cs majors are not organised by volvo, but by privately owned enterprises, if the company does good then execution is awesome. blast have a good track record of doing that already
ohh thanks for the info why cant valorant also do the same? is it too early for val?
saito1912 [#5]ohh thanks for the info why cant valorant also do the same? is it too early for val?
riot is perfectly capable of great events so yeah it's too early
Glycoroldas [#4]tournaments organised by rito are like state owned enterprises, execution always ends up being shit
cs majors are not organised by volvo, but by privately owned enterprises, if the company does good then execution is awesome. blast have a good track record of doing that already
typical capitalism excuse
but i agree
free market implies constant innovation
saito1912 [#5]ohh thanks for the info why cant valorant also do the same? is it too early for val?
different philosophies between companies, riot doesn't like to outsource the organisation of tournaments to other companies. There is precedent for Riot doing this, as they have been doing it for the past decade with league of legends.
Valve has laissez faire approach to organising tournaments, i.e. they outsource it to other companies and they have been successfully doing it for more than two decades. This approach did bite Valve once in Dota2 major - "Update from the Shanghai Major" incident in 2016.
It seems that it does indeed come down to two different schools of thought at the executive level of these companies
saito1912 [#5]ohh thanks for the info why cant valorant also do the same? is it too early for val?
They do worlds which is like the biggest esport event of every year (i think) so they world probably be able to do the same if val gets bigger.
Glycoroldas [#9]different philosophies between companies, riot doesn't like to outsource the organisation of tournaments to other companies. There is precedent for Riot doing this, as they have been doing it for the past decade with league of legends.
Valve has laissez faire approach to organising tournaments, i.e. they outsource it to other companies and they have been successfully doing it for more than two decades. This approach did bite Valve once in Dota2 major - "Update from the Shanghai Major" incident in 2016.
It seems that it does indeed come down to two different schools of thought at the executive level of these companies
What is the Update for shangai major?
Cresp [#10]They do worlds which is like the biggest esport event of every year (i think) so they world probably be able to do the same if val gets bigger.
That's no excuse bro Dota 2 in 2013 have better production than val rn
Glycoroldas [#9]different philosophies between companies, riot doesn't like to outsource the organisation of tournaments to other companies. There is precedent for Riot doing this, as they have been doing it for the past decade with league of legends.
Valve has laissez faire approach to organising tournaments, i.e. they outsource it to other companies and they have been successfully doing it for more than two decades. This approach did bite Valve once in Dota2 major - "Update from the Shanghai Major" incident in 2016.
It seems that it does indeed come down to two different schools of thought at the executive level of these companies
Also I feel like Rot are still afraid to invest in valorant as much as they invest in league as they are worried that val might flop at some point? Is this school of thought valid?
saito1912 [#11]What is the Update for shangai major?
Controversy
The Shanghai Major was plagued from the start with technical difficulties and both the production company and host, James "2GD" Harding, were publicly fired on the second day by Gabe Newell in a Reddit post.Despite this, the tournament continued to experience production issues and unexpected delays, as well as less than favorable conditions for the players and broadcasters.Even after the event finished, controversy persisted. The hotel rooms the teams had stayed in were cleaned out, with a total of 40-50 personal belongings being lost or misplaced, including mice, keyboards, headsets, and car keys.
There is even a wikipedia article associated with this major, which is pretty big imo
ZhangWei [#13]That's no excuse bro Dota 2 in 2013 have better production than val rn
Budget allocation because riot is one company but valve outsources their production. So its not exactly a 1-1 comparison.
Glycoroldas [#15]Controversy
The Shanghai Major was plagued from the start with technical difficulties and both the production company and host, James "2GD" Harding, were publicly fired on the second day by Gabe Newell in a Reddit post.Despite this, the tournament continued to experience production issues and unexpected delays, as well as less than favorable conditions for the players and broadcasters.Even after the event finished, controversy persisted. The hotel rooms the teams had stayed in were cleaned out, with a total of 40-50 personal belongings being lost or misplaced, including mice, keyboards, headsets, and car keys.
There is even a wikipedia article associated with this major, which is pretty big imo
thanks a lot
saito1912 [#14]Also I feel like Rot are still afraid to invest in valorant as much as they invest in league as they are worried that val might flop at some point? Is this school of thought valid?
In my opinion, global recession especially in tech sector is a pretty significant factor at play here. Valorant released and started catching exponential growth at an unfortunate time when capital borrowing for big tech companies became more difficult due to raised interest rates by the US FED. The entire big tech sector in the USA is currently cutting down on risky investments and Riot might be considering that investing significant money into organising Valorant tournaments is unlikely to yield high returns to justify high risk investment. Therefore, the production quality is nerfed in a way
one thing some people haven't really considered yet is that CSGO is over a decade old, so the big tournaments like ESL, IEM, etc have had many years to get their stuff together. Riot has been able to make huge events as can be seen with LoL Worlds, so *hopefully* they can make something good for Valorant in some time, but I wouldn't expect that for at least a couple of years (and not until they improve the current franchising leagues)
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