Harbor has got THE LOWEST pickrate/winrate. Even nerfed chamber is better than him. The main reason? NO OFFENSIVE abilities being a controller.
Blud got only water walls and nothing else. No offensive ability to stall enemies. Brim/viper got mollies, omen got flash, astra got stun. Harbor? Water walls/balls. His walls slightly slows enemies which isn't even noticeable.
Even on pearl, his chosen map, he needs viper's support.
zidmz [#2]If his smokes lasted longer than I do he would be atleast half decent
100% his problem is his walls doesnt last long enough. His water ball should remain even when the shield is broken
PoonRaccoon [#4]Easiest to check a worst agent is by how many people want to instalock him? I bet 99% of people here dont want to play harbor
I like playing harbor hes more fun than most other controllers and his cove has many cool things to do like protecting people taking space.
Cresp [#5]Hes decent he probably just needs to take away the slow on allies
the only decent thing in his inventory is his ult
01noya [#7]harbor is 100% a high elo/competitive play destinated agent
complete opposite of reyna lol
PoonRaccoon [#3]100% his problem is his walls doesnt last long enough. His water ball should remain even when the shield is broken
true ball should stay but no shield - otherwise it's -350
PoonRaccoon [#9]the only decent thing in his inventory is his ult
Cascade is a really strong ability and he has the highest smoke uptime in the game. The reason he is so shitter is because he doesnt have as good stall potential as most other controlelrs. He is poopoo as an anchor, viper allows him to be good on defense because his job is to cover when viper has no toxins. Offensively tho he is extremely viable and has good util combos with skye.
You clearly don't watch pro games if you think that's the case
Harbor has a shit win rate precisely bc it requires a viper and good coordination to be good, sth ranked will never have
Harbor can also be shit in pro play simply because either teams don't understand harbor viper or they have players like zeek who have 0 idea how to do even half decent walls
Giants for example have 0 fucking idea how to play harbor on pearl. They rarely went b and planted in the shittiest place and used cove like a smoke(which is supposed to be used like a sage wall).
And stalling? Dude are you fucking kidding me, Omen flash doesn't stall well, and it is one of the best stall util on maps like Icebox where you just stack harbor+viper walls for infinite delay.
TMV has a really good video on why harbor viper has 35% win rate.
Plus every controller has some gimmick, and not ever controller needs stalling util(like sage as a sentinel doesn't have a trip but still is picked)
And your argument makes no sense either: you say he has no offense. Even if that is correct(which it def isn't with a strong ult and 2 walls), you proceeded to say that it's shit at defense(which you think is "offensive ability" for some reason.
Harbor is perfectly balanced, and any buffs will litearly break him as an agent.
Cresp [#12]Cascade is a really strong ability and he has the highest smoke uptime in the game. The reason he is so shitter is because he doesnt have as good stall potential as most other controlelrs. He is poopoo as an anchor, viper allows him to be good on defense because his job is to cover when viper has no toxins. Offensively tho he is extremely viable and has good util combos with skye.
He's a waste of slot on the offensive side. Even s0m had dogshit performance with him on offense. I'd take omen over him anyday.
PoonRaccoon [#14]He's a waste of slot on the offensive side. Even s0m had dogshit performance with him on offense. I'd take omen over him anyday.
Blud does not watch how loud uses him
arnav [#11]true ball should stay but no shield - otherwise it's -350
My opinion:ball shouldn't stay
Harbor got like 2 smoke abilities already, and the point is for the cove to not be used like a smoke. For example, giants against th trolled bc they don't understand harbor and used it like another smoke, causing them to get shit plants and losing them a lot of rounds.
In addition, it is a nerf in some instance like planting spike where teams intentionally break cove for better vision and a longer smoke time nerfs it.
Neglecting the fact that harbor is in a balanced state rn, even if you are to buff it, most likely it would be an increase in shield ho
BetaSahara [#13]You clearly don't watch pro games if you think that's the case
Harbor has a shit win rate precisely bc it requires a viper and good coordination to be good, sth ranked will never have
Harbor can also be shit in pro play simply because either teams don't understand harbor viper or they have players like zeek who have 0 idea how to do even half decent walls
Giants for example have 0 fucking idea how to play harbor on pearl. They rarely went b and planted in the shittiest place and used cove like a smoke(which is supposed to be used like a sage wall).
And stalling? Dude are you fucking kidding me, Omen flash doesn't stall well, and it is one of the best stall util on maps like Icebox where you just stack harbor+viper walls for infinite delay.
TMV has a really good video on why harbor viper has 35% win rate.
Plus every controller has some gimmick, and not ever controller needs stalling util(like sage as a sentinel doesn't have a trip but still is picked)
And your argument makes no sense either: you say he has no offense. Even if that is correct(which it def isn't with a strong ult and 2 walls), you proceeded to say that it's shit at defense(which you think is "offensive ability" for some reason.
Harbor is perfectly balanced, and any buffs will litearly break him as an agent.
Absolute dogshit take. Opinion : REJECTED. Harbor is shit. Omen is far better with his flash and TP. You cant even escape with harbor. Also sage has slow orb to stall enemies.
Cresp [#15]Blud does not watch how loud uses him
1 map agent where he needs another controller for support lmfao. hes a inferior hybrid of initiator and controller.
PoonRaccoon [#17]Absolute dogshit take. Opinion : REJECTED. Harbor is shit. Omen is far better with his flash and TP. You cant even escape with harbor. Also sage has slow orb to stall enemies.
They are 2 different agent with completely different play style. The same point can be made that Omen's ult is complete dogshit and that omen's tp is exteremly selfish compared to harbor's 2 waves that are exteremly strong at taking space, esp pearl and Icebox. For sage they're not even in the same agent class and the only real similarity is the wall and the cove. Sage excels at stalling while harbor Excels at taking space.
PoonRaccoon [#4]Easiest to check a worst agent is by how many people want to instalock him? I bet 99% of people here dont want to play harbor
Bluds judging by instalocking💀💀
By that argument reyna is one of the best agent in the game💀💀💀
Please shut your silver ass up and actually watch some pro games first
BetaSahara [#13]You clearly don't watch pro games if you think that's the case
Harbor has a shit win rate precisely bc it requires a viper and good coordination to be good, sth ranked will never have
Harbor can also be shit in pro play simply because either teams don't understand harbor viper or they have players like zeek who have 0 idea how to do even half decent walls
Giants for example have 0 fucking idea how to play harbor on pearl. They rarely went b and planted in the shittiest place and used cove like a smoke(which is supposed to be used like a sage wall).
And stalling? Dude are you fucking kidding me, Omen flash doesn't stall well, and it is one of the best stall util on maps like Icebox where you just stack harbor+viper walls for infinite delay.
TMV has a really good video on why harbor viper has 35% win rate.
Plus every controller has some gimmick, and not ever controller needs stalling util(like sage as a sentinel doesn't have a trip but still is picked)
And your argument makes no sense either: you say he has no offense. Even if that is correct(which it def isn't with a strong ult and 2 walls), you proceeded to say that it's shit at defense(which you think is "offensive ability" for some reason.
Harbor is perfectly balanced, and any buffs will litearly break him as an agent.
First thing a controller should be played solo bruh what's the logic Harbor works with Viper lmao?
Devanshhhhhh [#23]First thing a controller should be played solo bruh what's the logic Harbor works with Viper lmao?
a controller should be played solo bruh
Blud do you even watch vct?? LOUD agent pick literally consist of viper and harbor play
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PoonRaccoon [#18]1 map agent where he needs another controller for support lmfao. hes a inferior hybrid of initiator and controller.
Me when kayo needs a sova to be good (kayo needs a buff because he cant play solo initiator) do you know how stupid that sounds.
BetaSahara [#21]Bluds judging by instalocking💀💀
By that argument reyna is one of the best agent in the game💀💀💀
Please shut your silver ass up and actually watch some pro games first
The dick riding level is over the limit. How much riot pays you to shill their shitty designs?
Devanshhhhhh [#23]First thing a controller should be played solo bruh what's the logic Harbor works with Viper lmao?
kayo and breach arent good because they are only played with other initiators 😱😱😱😱
Devanshhhhhh [#23]First thing a controller should be played solo bruh what's the logic Harbor works with Viper lmao?
Vlr bug
inlucid [#29]he's like KAY/0, bad on ranked but good on pro
Kayo's perfectly fine on ranked tho? He's just kinda lineup heavy meanwhile harbor require 1 additional smoke(precisely viper) if you want him to fit in a team. And people below immortal tend to think 1 smoke is always enough atleast on my asc(3) games in my memory I've never had a game with double smoker even once
proud_bandwagoners [#31]Kayo's perfectly fine on ranked tho? He's just kinda lineup heavy meanwhile harbor require 1 additional smoke(precisely viper) if you want him to fit in a team. And people below immortal tend to think 1 smoke is always enough atleast on my asc(3) games in my memory I've never had a game with double smoker even once
i remember some stats saying kay/o has low WR on ranked
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