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Mortadelo [#4]Probably accurate individually. But FNC gameplay is a lot more Strat based, last year probably literally all FPX players were better than FNC's and they still managed to beat them twice
Yeah, thats why navi are scary. They dont have identified playstyle or clear stratbooks to learn
Mortadelo [#4]Probably accurate individually. But FNC gameplay is a lot more Strat based, last year probably literally all FPX players were better than FNC's and they still managed to beat them twice
They sit and do nothing
Rat corners, never info gather, never take space, and wait
It won't work against teams with cleaner executes and players that don't shit their pants when they have to win an aim duel
Navi is going to 39-0 them.
Ange1>>Boaster
Shao > Leo (this is close because Leo is probably the best pure initiator in the world, Shao plays Astra and Omen alot)
Zyppan = Chronicle
Suygetsu>> Alfajer
Cned <<< Derke (this was close too, both top 3 duelists atm but Derke been slightly better this tournament)
I think NaVi has the better individual players just barely
babysasuke [#8]Ange1 >>> b0tster
Shao >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leo
Suygetsu > Alfajer
Zyppan > Chronicle
cNed >>>>>>>>> Derke
Ratio lil bro
valulrantefanboy [#14]Bruh sucking Navi so hard after getting shit on by Chronicle
yup I really thought Fnatic was the best team in the world before!
clown fr
babysasuke [#10]They sit and do nothing
Rat corners, never info gather, never take space, and wait
It won't work against teams with cleaner executes and players that don't shit their pants when they have to win an aim duel
Navi is going to 39-0 them.
Dude they managed to consistently be top 4 with fucking Mistic and Enzo there had to be something about their play style that was better than other teams
babysasuke [#16]yup I really thought Fnatic was the best team in the world before!
clown fr
Chronicle is one of my favourites but no one should disrespect babysasuke like that imo
Why do people rate derke so highly tho?
He's usually insane, but I'm pretty sure he goes double negative everytime they face elimination against a big team, it happened against SEN, Kru, PRX, FPX, DRX...
The opposite could be said for cNed, when acend were good, he would step up everytime they're in danger and pull out massive performances against the biggest teams in the world.
For this game I'd say cNed >>> Derke
For a regular season Derke would destroy the other teams.
Subreezy [#2]Shao and Leo are too equal to rank one over the other imo, they're both insanely cracked initiators
This is wrong on so many levels, Leo is good but not even close to Shao on any aspect of the game.
The only who can be in a debate against shao is Austin "Crashies" Roberts.
Mortadelo [#18]Dude they managed to consistently be top 4 with fucking Mistic and Enzo there had to be something about their play style that was better than other teams
When Mistic and Enzo were on Fnatic, everyone was dickriding them until they choked
same thing will happen with this roster
Yessirskiiii [#19]Chronicle is one of my favourites but no one should disrespect babysasuke like that imo
ratio lil bro 💀
babysasuke [#22]When Mistic and Enzo were on Fnatic, everyone was dickriding them until they choked
same thing will happen with this roster
Nobody has ever dickrided Enzo or Mistic in their lives. Everyone has always known they were lower tier 1 players
Mortadelo [#25]Nobody has ever dickrided Enzo or Mistic in their lives. Everyone has always known they were lower tier 1 players
mhm
Zayol [#11]NAVI just got lucky.
FNATIC will send Ange0 and friends back to the airport
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ANGE1 has won 1 masters u mean B0aster 😂😂
Jeffo [#21]This is wrong on so many levels, Leo is good but not even close to Shao on any aspect of the game.
The only who can be in a debate against shao is Austin "Crashies" Roberts.
Crashes is massively overrated
He doesn’t come close to shao or leo
Okoretro [#28]Crashes is massively overrated
He doesn’t come close to shao or leo
Bro snuck in Leo, this guy hasn't won a masters, has been to only one masters which he didn't even get to top 4 and is being compared to Crashies.
The disrespect is astounding.
Jeffo [#20]Why do people rate derke so highly tho?
He's usually insane, but I'm pretty sure he goes double negative everytime they face elimination against a big team, it happened against SEN, Kru, PRX, FPX, DRX...
The opposite could be said for cNed, when acend were good, he would step up everytime they're in danger and pull out massive performances against the biggest teams in the world.
For this game I'd say cNed >>> Derke
For a regular season Derke would destroy the other teams.
I literally just checked and he never even went negative in all the elimination matches you named (went double positive on 2 of them)
Jeffo [#30]Bro snuck in Leo, this guy hasn't won a masters, has been to only one masters which he didn't even get to top 4 and is being compared to Crashies.
The disrespect is astounding.
He was literally diffing crashies and was essential at shutting down yay
Jeffo [#30]Bro snuck in Leo, this guy hasn't won a masters, has been to only one masters which he didn't even get to top 4 and is being compared to Crashies.
The disrespect is astounding.
it's called a prediction brooooooo!
what is the fucking point of rating players only after their accomplishments?
I think it is much more interesting to watch the games, notice the talent of a player, and make rankings based off that
leo is on the cusp of winning a masters is it really so bold to put him up there with shao if you think fnatic will win this masters?
Okoretro [#31]I literally just checked and he never even went negative in all the elimination matches you named (went double positive on 2 of them)
Check the decider map on every one of the games i mentioned:
ALL NEGATIVE, most of them bottom of the table
Jeffo [#34]Check the decider map on every one of the games i mentioned:
ALL NEGATIVE, most of them bottom of the table
That’s cherry picking stats lmfao
Literally look at his performance across all maps
nutab1e [#33]it's called a prediction brooooooo!
what is the fucking point of rating players only after their accomplishments?
I think it is much more interesting to watch the games, notice the talent of a player, and make rankings based off that
leo is on the cusp of winning a masters is it really so bold to put him up there with shao if you think fnatic will win this masters?
You could say he has the potential, but disrespecting Crashies who achieved so much is not really the way to go
Okoretro [#35]That’s cherry picking stats lmfao
Literally look at his performance across all maps
I litteraly said facing elimination, is he facing elimination across all maps?
I already said he's usually insane, I know exactly how good he can be, but I remember him choking on the big moments so I pointed it out, no cherry picking in there.
Okoretro [#28]Crashes is massively overrated
He doesn’t come close to shao or leo
Sorry but L best player in Nrg
Mortadelo [#18]Dude they managed to consistently be top 4 with fucking Mistic and Enzo there had to be something about their play style that was better than other teams
Top 4 once??
Jeffo [#21]This is wrong on so many levels, Leo is good but not even close to Shao on any aspect of the game.
The only who can be in a debate against shao is Austin "Crashies" Roberts.
Shao edges ahead of Leo on aim and clutch by a tiny margin
Leo is far better with his utility than Shao is
They are equal in caliber imo
Pengu12 [#39]Top 4 once??
Top 4 once, Top 5/6th twice? Top 2 once? Got grouped just once and it was with 2 subs while having attended every event but 1?
nutab1e [#33]it's called a prediction brooooooo!
what is the fucking point of rating players only after their accomplishments?
I think it is much more interesting to watch the games, notice the talent of a player, and make rankings based off that
leo is on the cusp of winning a masters is it really so bold to put him up there with shao if you think fnatic will win this masters?
Wtf first sensib1e moment
Jeffo [#20]Why do people rate derke so highly tho?
He's usually insane, but I'm pretty sure he goes double negative everytime they face elimination against a big team, it happened against SEN, Kru, PRX, FPX, DRX...
The opposite could be said for cNed, when acend were good, he would step up everytime they're in danger and pull out massive performances against the biggest teams in the world.
For this game I'd say cNed >>> Derke
For a regular season Derke would destroy the other teams.
talking about rating people highly.. what about your flair?
Crystalzer0 [#43]talking about rating people highly.. what about your flair?
Liquid are pretty bad right now, how is that related to derke being a choker?
hekzy [#42]Wtf first sensib1e moment
shao clears leo imo but it's ridiculous to say that masters reyjavik last year has any bearing on current rankings, achievements mean nothing in this game
NG1nS [#7]i know everyone is putting cNed<derke understandably...... but
you will see the cNed diff very soon
The good thing about cNed is that he overheats, the bad thing about cNed is that he overheats.
I dont think Derke has this problem tbh
Mortadelo [#41]Top 4 once, Top 5/6th twice? Top 2 once? Got grouped just once and it was with 2 subs while having attended every event but 1?
Ok the top 2 is ancient, they ain’t consistent top 4 if they only got it once last year
Pengu12 [#38]Sorry but L best player in Nrg
I'm sure as a Sen fan you understand the value of staying consistent throughout time
Jeffo [#37]I litteraly said facing elimination, is he facing elimination across all maps?
I already said he's usually insane, I know exactly how good he can be, but I remember him choking on the big moments so I pointed it out, no cherry picking in there.
By that time the pressure mounts so much on him and he gets sick of basically carrying them on his back. He is still consistently top 5 acs in every tournament he has played in except Copenhagen(where he was top 10). I'd say that's pretty solid reason why everyone rates him so high
nutab1e [#45]shao clears leo imo but it's ridiculous to say that masters reyjavik last year has any bearing on current rankings, achievements mean nothing in this game
first time i agree with nutab1e
"jinxing dog" and alldat
Mortadelo [#48]I'm sure as a Sen fan you understand the value of staying consistent throughout time
:(
Jeffo [#21]This is wrong on so many levels, Leo is good but not even close to Shao on any aspect of the game.
The only who can be in a debate against shao is Austin "Crashies" Roberts.
Both of them clear crashies whether they won or not.
Just because leo’s teammates werent as good as crashies’, doesnt mean leo wasnt better than crashes for over a year now.
Mald.
Mortadelo [#4]Probably accurate individually. But FNC gameplay is a lot more Strat based, last year probably literally all FPX players were better than FNC's and they still managed to beat them twice
This.
This is why navi is scary. 3 of them are individually better than fnc’s players (derke > cned unless we’re talking about op skills and chronicle better individually than zyppan unless zyp has a guardian).
If fnc beat them its because theyre strategically superior (which, to be fair is the hardest part of this game)
Jeffo [#20]Why do people rate derke so highly tho?
He's usually insane, but I'm pretty sure he goes double negative everytime they face elimination against a big team, it happened against SEN, Kru, PRX, FPX, DRX...
The opposite could be said for cNed, when acend were good, he would step up everytime they're in danger and pull out massive performances against the biggest teams in the world.
For this game I'd say cNed >>> Derke
For a regular season Derke would destroy the other teams.
Last 3 derke games when facing elimination: 64-44 vs drx, 54-53 vs fpx, 65-52 vs kru
Jeffo [#21]This is wrong on so many levels, Leo is good but not even close to Shao on any aspect of the game.
The only who can be in a debate against shao is Austin "Crashies" Roberts.
IMO Leo has the best utility usage, out of the Initiators ( Especially on Sova)
Mortadelo [#4]Probably accurate individually. But FNC gameplay is a lot more Strat based, last year probably literally all FPX players were better than FNC's and they still managed to beat them twice
more like 4 times
Moiraine [#54]This.
This is why navi is scary. 3 of them are individually better than fnc’s players (derke > cned unless we’re talking about op skills and chronicle better individually than zyppan unless zyp has a guardian).
If fnc beat them its because theyre strategically superior (which, to be fair is the hardest part of this game)
when its the top 4 of an international lan, it is never just about the individual gameplay, it never will be...
Valgod [#55]Last 3 derke games when facing elimination: 64-44 vs drx, 54-53 vs fpx, 65-52 vs kru
Maps when Fnatic facing elimination:
Fracture vs DRX: 13/15 bottom of both teams
Fracture vs FPX: 13/16
Bind vs PRX: 16/20 2nd to last
Split vs KRU: 13/19 bottom of the team
Vs Sen in 2021 he was bottom on all maps
You see the similarities?
Jeffo [#59]Maps when Fnatic facing elimination:
Fracture vs DRX: 13/15 bottom of both teams
Fracture vs FPX: 13/16
Bind vs PRX: 16/20 2nd to last
Split vs KRU: 13/19 bottom of the team
Vs Sen in 2021 he was bottom on all maps
You see the similarities?
He still went positive in every game
symbols07 [#58]when its the top 4 of an international lan, it is never just about the individual gameplay, it never will be...
I know it's not. FPX and NAVI both got where they got last year because their strats and IGL-ing was good. But last year, Mistic and Enzo were SIGNIFICANTLY worse individually than anyone on FPX and yet FNC still beat them so many times (except the one time it mattered most...) and it was specifically because their strats were just that much better.
Here now, both NAVI and FPX got here because their stratting has been insane but also players have been individually insane. So even though, the players on NAVI are slightly better individually it is not that big of a difference. so stratting will be once again what really differentiates.
What you said, although true overall, you can't tell me that Shao swung the game on Ascent vs LEV (that was most definitely a swing round) it was because NAVI were just better strategically, it was simply because Shao outplayed them individually. You can most definitely win games through superior gameplay at key moments.
Remember Mwzera's insane individual prowess vs FURIA where they won a round they shoulda never won, simply because Mwzera 1v4'd the entire FNC. That wasnt because FURIA was strategically better, it was because Mwzera did something individually insane.
I hope you understand what i mean. And sorry for the book i just wrote.
Valgod [#60]He still went positive in every game
No he didn't, he was negative in 3 of them, and that's not even my point, I said facing elimination and he went negative/ bottom on all of them
joellogic [#63]that suygetsu » alfajer doesn't convince me one bit.
yeah Soygetsu might have some flashier plays, but overall, alfajer has a greater output. not even close.
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nutab1e [#64]💀
it's true dude.
Don't be blind. Go watch acs, player rating and Damage per round.
Alfa has a much higher output.
An plays any freaking agent in the game almost.
He's freaking cracked at Jett and Raze. Suygetsu not so much.
Suygetsu is fantastic player, but alfajer is better in my opinion and data proves it.
Dokka [#40]Shao edges ahead of Leo on aim and clutch by a tiny margin
Leo is far better with his utility than Shao is
They are equal in caliber imo
based
Jeffo [#62]No he didn't, he was negative in 3 of them, and that's not even my point, I said facing elimination and he went negative/ bottom on all of them
Are you dumb or are you stupid?
nutab1e [#45]shao clears leo imo but it's ridiculous to say that masters reyjavik last year has any bearing on current rankings, achievements mean nothing in this game
i aint reading allat
Mortadelo [#25]Nobody has ever dickrided Enzo or Mistic in their lives. Everyone has always known they were lower tier 1 players
Nah Babysasuke is right on this one. Alot of people were defending mistic and Enzo and when i said they are both average players that are not good enough to be on a championship winning team i got downfragged big time.
Mortadelo [#18]Dude they managed to consistently be top 4 with fucking Mistic and Enzo there had to be something about their play style that was better than other teams
Bro who u even arguing with ..dude keeps on receiving L everywhere
Jeffo [#44]Liquid are pretty bad right now, how is that related to derke being a choker?
you were talking about derke being rated highly. Liquid was rated very highly this tournament and therefore, probably the team that choked the hardest of them all. Having an off game when you go deep in the tournament isn't "choking". Getting outed by in the manner TL did definitely is
joellogic [#66]it's true dude.
Don't be blind. Go watch acs, player rating and Damage per round.
Alfa has a much higher output.An plays any freaking agent in the game almost.
He's freaking cracked at Jett and Raze. Suygetsu not so much.Suygetsu is fantastic player, but alfajer is better in my opinion and data proves it.
this tournament ? Or overall
Cause alfajer played raze and neon for fnatic, my guy you cannot compare those stats lmao
Also suygetsu dragged navi over the finish line to win a masters after Shao solo dragged them to semi's. Don't disrespect suygetsu's achievements.
He hasn't even been playing to his level this tournament yet.
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