There are only 25 players that will make NA franchising…
SEN is responsible for 5 of those players, and they will prioritize clout and viewership over actual TALENT. So many better players will be left in the dust because of this clown org.
SEN literally does not care about winning or making the best team possible, they just care about hype.
Sick: best flex in NA and top 5 in the world
Tenz: still has the most accords and is still one of the best duelists in the world
Dapr: consistent senti but yeah maybe its time to go
shahz: unmotivated at times but showed a little progress at LCQ, was Top 5 ACS at Iceland, and his peak was the best igling in this game
sheahhhh [#6]Sick: best flex in NA and top 5 in the world
Tenz: still has the most accords and is still one of the best duelists in the world
Dapr: consistent senti but yeah maybe its time to go
shahz: unmotivated at times but showed a little progress at LCQ, was Top 5 ACS at Iceland, and his peak was the best igling in this game
tenz is not near one of the best duelists in the world
sheahhhh [#6]Sick: best flex in NA and top 5 in the world
Tenz: still has the most accords and is still one of the best duelists in the world
Dapr: consistent senti but yeah maybe its time to go
shahz: unmotivated at times but showed a little progress at LCQ, was Top 5 ACS at Iceland, and his peak was the best igling in this game
Brother I'm going to stop you there. You cannot call someone "top 5 flex in the world" when they haven't played any international events for awhile. Are you forgetting all the other INSANE Flex players in other regions? Cmon dude thats some high level copium calling him top 5 Flex in the world...
aneeshmurphy [#7]tenz is not near one of the best duelists in the world
tenz is still in the top 5 for multiple records within int tourneys
Tyzehhxo [#8]Brother I'm going to stop you there. You cannot call someone "top 5 flex in the world" when they haven't played any international events for awhile. Are you forgetting all the other INSANE Flex players in other regions? Cmon dude thats some high level copium calling him top 5 Flex in the world...
he's coping hard
jawn [#11]he's coping hard
Like don't get me wrong I think sicK is an insane player but I would not be putting him fucking Top 5 Flex players in the world good... Not at this current moment either...
RGS_OnToP [#10]why are Butthurt Optic fans mad at Sentinels?
EG or NRG stole your slot not Sen
the day Sentinels signed Tenz was the day Sentinels got their franchise slot carved in stone buddy
"EG and NRG stole your slot, not Sen", I agree.
Tyzehhxo [#12]Like don't get me wrong I think sicK is an insane player but I would not be putting him fucking Top 5 Flex players in the world good... Not at this current moment either...
i agree, he's not proficient in most meta agents
It's sad to see people hating on the org just because someone else failed to make franchising.
Sen have worked and invested a lot to win the slot + they have a ton of viewership, so what? They are still a competitive team, and only lost to the 1st and 2nd placing teams of LCQ, both close matches.
So yeah, stay mad, the players on Sen do have talent despite what your butthurt asses think.
jawn [#14]i agree, he's not proficient in most meta agents
Yup. If I were sicK and a team approached me with a slot on a team and it wasn't SEN I think I'd take it. Fresh start is probably what will benifit him the most unless SEN does a complete overhaul as a team.
elayaCL [#15]Man, i don't know how to put this but Riot choose them.
Why people keeps blaming orgs.Or it's bait?
So? I think Riot was wrong for choosing them, but SEN is still responsible for whatever dumb decisions they make.
That’s like saying you can’t make fun of a politician because ‘the people’ voted them into power.
I also fear that SEN will not make the proper roster changes.
No one knows if sick is still top tier.
Right now the only player that Sen have that I think could compete in this new league is Tenz, and that’s only if he is motivated.
Dapr is a great OLD school sentinel. He is not a chamber main or a great viper.
If they nerf chamber it will benefit Sen.
Shaz is the weak link. Either he shows up soon or they need to move on.
Zellsis looked like the best player on Sen in lcq. That says a lot
kyrielight [#17]sentinels is not even bad, they only lost to 100T and The Guard which were the finalists 2x1
Because the other orgs here EG and NRG are going to pick up the players from teams like optic and xset, while sen will stick with a roster that hasn't made any of the international tournaments in a year
kyrielight [#17]sentinels is not even bad, they only lost to 100T and The Guard which were the finalists 2x1
Don’t kid yourself, they were barely a top 10 team in NA
I_HATE_MCE [#21]So? I think Riot was wrong for choosing them, but SEN is still responsible for whatever dumb decisions they make.
That’s like saying you can’t make fun of a politician because ‘the people’ voted them into power.
You never mentioned Riot, you were just shitting on Sentinels.
Also, you realize that orgs are companies, who btw make money and do business? Is it really a dumb decision to bring people who contribute to that?
Esports isn't the beautiful fairy tale people think just for being games.
elayaCL [#25]You never mentioned Riot, you were just shitting on Sentinels.
Also, you realize that orgs are companies, who btw make money and do business? Is it really a dumb decision to bring people who contribute to that?
Esports isn't the beautiful fairy tale people think just for being games.
You can't criticise companies for doing something for profit? It's fine for companies to use slave labour since it's for profit
Getting good players isn't a beautiful fairy tale, every other org does it, even the clothing brand, 100t, got a good team
SAMPV6 [#16]It's sad to see people hating on the org just because someone else failed to make franchising.
Sen have worked and invested a lot to win the slot + they have a ton of viewership, so what? They are still a competitive team, and only lost to the 1st and 2nd placing teams of LCQ, both close matches.
So yeah, stay mad, the players on Sen do have talent despite what your butthurt asses think.
Who cares about orgs? I only care about players, also they are not a competitive team. The problem is they don't get players to win, they get players to increase their brand effectively killing 3 players potential careers because they don't stream enough
MIDMIDMID [#18]Why are we all making assumptions?
has sen done anything to make you think they are going to do otherwise?
Faraday [#27]Who cares about orgs? I only care about players, also they are not a competitive team. The problem is they don't get players to win, they get players to increase their brand effectively killing 3 players potential careers because they don't stream enough
What is the "team"? Like how are you making all these assumptions? We don't know who tf is in the team.
You guys are talking like NRG, EG, C9 are all somehow more capable players than SEN and have achieved even half of what SEN has. And what is the reason for that assumption? They don't have popular streamers. So you think they are naturally better but they haven't done shit. Also no one on SEN is a regular streamer except Shahz but noone wants to hear that. Cause "stream team" very funny.
Stop riding on the popular narrative just cause it is. Check the facts. Make an opinion for yourself.
Faraday [#26]You can't criticise companies for doing something for profit? It's fine for companies to use slave labour since it's for profit
Getting good players isn't a beautiful fairy tale, every other org does it, even the clothing brand, 100t, got a good team
You can't criticise companies for doing something for profit? It's fine for companies to use slave labour since it's for profit
What the hell does the second statement have to do with anything said above? who's supporting slave labour here?
A company in essence works in order to make profit. Why people has too much trouble understanding this? i'm not saying it's good or bad, it's by definition.
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elayaCL [#31]Man i swear in this thread i found the most stupid people in vlr. Still doesn't know how business works lmao.
I feel you man
h9zard [#29]What is the "team"? Like how are you making all these assumptions? We don't know who tf is in the team.
You guys are talking like NRG, EG, C9 are all somehow more capable players than SEN and have achieved even half of what SEN has. And what is the reason for that assumption? They don't have popular streamers. So you think they are naturally better but they haven't done shit. Also no one on SEN is a regular streamer except Shahz but noone wants to hear that. Cause "stream team" very funny.
Stop riding on the popular narrative just cause it is. Check the facts. Make an opinion for yourself.
Tthis guys are just a bunch of Sen haters who can't prove the opposite you stated.
People also doesn't understand that in franchising the teams/orgs secure a spot which guarantees all kind of stability in the scene without necessarily being competitive. You run the business with viewers and sponsorship.
SigmaMale [#20]Exactly, instead of picking shroud for LCQ, they couldve picked a good controller like zander and maybe couldve won LCQ
Thats so hindsight. If they had picked up Zander and didn't win it no one would even care. But shroud literally caused a storm. His performance was really bad I agree. But who knows maybe that move had a really high impact on Riot to get them in the league. Because it got them back into the spotlight and made everyone realise how much hype and viewership they bring. Big clout move ofc but still very impactful in their case for partnership.
h9zard [#29]What is the "team"? Like how are you making all these assumptions? We don't know who tf is in the team.
You guys are talking like NRG, EG, C9 are all somehow more capable players than SEN and have achieved even half of what SEN has. And what is the reason for that assumption? They don't have popular streamers. So you think they are naturally better but they haven't done shit. Also no one on SEN is a regular streamer except Shahz but noone wants to hear that. Cause "stream team" very funny.
Stop riding on the popular narrative just cause it is. Check the facts. Make an opinion for yourself.
The difference is NRG, EG, C9 have never put shroud on the team. It's not about what they have or haven't achieved, it's about how the org runs the valorant team. The other orgs are trying to make teams to win, SEN doesn't try to do that though, no team trying to win LCQ puts shroud on when there are other players available. I want orgs to make teams of the best players not the best clout for the org.
Stop riding SEN's dick, the fact is SEN as a org got lucky they made a banger team at the beginning of valorant and once changes were needed they did nothing because they don't care about winning.
elayaCL [#30]You can't criticise companies for doing something for profit? It's fine for companies to use slave labour since it's for profit
What the hell does the second statement have to do with anything said above? who's supporting slave labour here?
A company in essence works in order to make profit. Why people has too much trouble understanding this? i'm not saying it's good or bad, it's by definition.
edit: typo
No shit every company exists to make profit, the point of people complaining about the way to org runs is to signal to the org that by continuing that behaviour they are going to lose support and thus profit. If everyone complained and nobody supported SEN because they are putting clout first then SEN will stop doing that.
sheahhhh [#9]tenz is still in the top 5 for multiple records within int tourneys
Back when no one knew how to play the game
Faraday [#36]The difference is NRG, EG, C9 have never put shroud on the team. It's not about what they have or haven't achieved, it's about how the org runs the valorant team. The other orgs are trying to make teams to win, SEN doesn't try to do that though, no team trying to win LCQ puts shroud on when there are other players available. I want orgs to make teams of the best players not the best clout for the org.
Stop riding SEN's dick, the fact is SEN as a org got lucky they made a banger team at the beginning of valorant and once changes were needed they did nothing because they don't care about winning.
Who cares about orgs? I only care about players, also they are not a competitive team.
It's not about what they have or haven't achieved, it's about how the org runs the valorant team.
this the same person?
no team trying to win LCQ puts shroud on when there are other players available
check out #34
once changes were needed they did nothing because they don't care about winning.
I agree that they didnt make proper changes soon enough but they did make them for LCQ. Just watch their new video with all the bts. They made a big mistake of waiting too long to make essential additions. They should have done these moves after Champs last year. Also you are too biased to see what the reason for their success is and why they deserve a spot more so than the teams I mentioned.
h9zard [#40]Who cares about orgs? I only care about players, also they are not a competitive team.
It's not about what they have or haven't achieved, it's about how the org runs the valorant team.
this the same person?
no team trying to win LCQ puts shroud on when there are other players available
check out #34
once changes were needed they did nothing because they don't care about winning.
I agree that they didnt make proper changes soon enough but they did make them for LCQ. Just watch their new video with all the bts. They made a big mistake of waiting too long to make essential additions. They should have done these moves after Champs last year. Also you are too biased to see what the reason for their success is and why they deserve a spot more so than the teams I mentioned.
Who cares about orgs? I only care about players, also they are not a competitive team.
this means I care about the best players having the opportunity to play, I don't support any org because they are clout filled like 100t or sen
It's not about what they have or haven't achieved, it's about how the org runs the valorant team.
Here I'm saying org's that value making the best possible teams are better for the health and competitiveness of future valorant. Just because org A has a better team right now then org B, doesn't mean that org A will be able to do that consistently, SEN got lucky with their original players and don't have the infrastructure in place to make changes when needed unlike how say 100T did.
#34 is just you saying that they care more about clout then getting the best players, glad we agree
The reason they don't make changes is because they don't have a real manager that runs it, they have shazam choosing who is the players, coach , and analyst. This is a poor way to run a org for long term success, player run teams don't work long term, teams with the biggest improvement didn't do this, 100T made a fresh team with good structure and look at how it payed off for them.
I_HATE_MCE [#21]So? I think Riot was wrong for choosing them, but SEN is still responsible for whatever dumb decisions they make.
That’s like saying you can’t make fun of a politician because ‘the people’ voted them into power.
being an optic fan gives you a privilege to be mad . But let me ask you this when these 5 guys were in NV, were you a nv fan or an optic fan .
It might be time for you 16 yr old to realise that world works on money and not on some vlr feedbacks and your so called favorite players also know that that's why they are memeing with this news and you are trying way too hard on a forum where it's always a bait
Faraday [#27]Who cares about orgs? I only care about players, also they are not a competitive team. The problem is they don't get players to win, they get players to increase their brand effectively killing 3 players potential careers because they don't stream enough
He said he cares about players , what are you manager or something
Faraday [#41]Who cares about orgs? I only care about players, also they are not a competitive team.
this means I care about the best players having the opportunity to play, I don't support any org because they are clout filled like 100t or sen
It's not about what they have or haven't achieved, it's about how the org runs the valorant team.
Here I'm saying org's that value making the best possible teams are better for the health and competitiveness of future valorant. Just because org A has a better team right now then org B, doesn't mean that org A will be able to do that consistently, SEN got lucky with their original players and don't have the infrastructure in place to make changes when needed unlike how say 100T did.
#34 is just you saying that they care more about clout then getting the best players, glad we agree
The reason they don't make changes is because they don't have a real manager that runs it, they have shazam choosing who is the players, coach , and analyst. This is a poor way to run a org for long term success, player run teams don't work long term, teams with the biggest improvement didn't do this, 100T made a fresh team with good structure and look at how it payed off for them.
100T made a fresh team with good structure and look at how it payed off for them.
you do remember that they struggled for an entire year, made terrible decisions after terrible decisions and finally landed on something good. just give the same leeway to SEN.
I dont blame the management too much either. Those 5 players dominated regional competition for a year and a half and won an International LAN without any of the support or structure, maybe they trusted them enough to figure it out? At least LCQ proved to me that they were making some good decisions in terms of management. I trust in them to keep that up.
zeleus [#35]everywhere i go i find optic fans hating on sen......rito triggered a whole fanbasee!! nice work rito
I mean Optic is literally one of the most unstable orgs out there..... people were bold to assume they would get partnered especially after being in the bad books of Riot after their League fiasco
Enamul_Huq1990 [#46]Isn’t 100T a clout org aswell?
They were until they signed will, bang, etc
These guys are actually good
GoldenKey [#38]Back when no one knew how to play the game
Let me tell you something, after few years even the current best players would look like a joke lmao that's called evolution of game
elayaCL [#30]You can't criticise companies for doing something for profit? It's fine for companies to use slave labour since it's for profit
What the hell does the second statement have to do with anything said above? who's supporting slave labour here?
A company in essence works in order to make profit. Why people has too much trouble understanding this? i'm not saying it's good or bad, it's by definition.
edit: typo
Bro he's just another onliner that states irrelevant extreme examples and try to make his point 💀 it's ok
sheahhhh [#6]Sick: best flex in NA and top 5 in the world
Tenz: still has the most accords and is still one of the best duelists in the world
Dapr: consistent senti but yeah maybe its time to go
shahz: unmotivated at times but showed a little progress at LCQ, was Top 5 ACS at Iceland, and his peak was the best igling in this game
man bringing out receipts from iceland like they are still relevant 😭😭
OPTIC_YAY_NO1_FAN [#43]He said he cares about players , what are you manager or something
Because having an org that doesn't care about putting the best players in, effectively stop players deserving of tier 1 from getting their chance. If you care about those players then you don't support a org that puts clout>skill, hopefully SEN doesn't end up doing this now that they are in franchising but they have shown no evidence to the contrary
Even as a SEN fan I can't say you are entirely wrong but my hope is that they went after clout to secure their position in the franchise league cz performance isn't guaranteed, clout is if you sign the right people( Shroud, Tarik). Now that they have the spot I expect them to put up a competitive roster and a back them with coaching stuff and shit.
Tyzehhxo [#12]Like don't get me wrong I think sicK is an insane player but I would not be putting him fucking Top 5 Flex players in the world good... Not at this current moment either...
I think he's insane too but would I put him above Leo, Shao, Stax, Asuna, or Zekken?? Hell no, and there's like 10 other flex players who've proven themselves more on the international stage recently (I suppose Less could also be considered flex).
Faraday [#53]Because having an org that doesn't care about putting the best players in, effectively stop players deserving of tier 1 from getting their chance. If you care about those players then you don't support a org that puts clout>skill, hopefully SEN doesn't end up doing this now that they are in franchising but they have shown no evidence to the contrary
Kanpeki, Zellsis werent clout signings. shroud is the only move that they made where they prioritized clout over talent. they removed zombs too. they kept in tenz,shahz,sick and dapr all of whom used to be the best in the world at their roles at some point and has proved they are capable of competing with the best in the world.
zardinez [#55]I think he's insane too but would I put him above Leo, Shao, Stax, Asuna, or Zekken?? Hell no, and there's like 10 other flex players who've proven themselves more on the international stage recently (I suppose Less could also be considered flex).
Problem is, You have to go off recent stats and sicK's weren't glowing due to the fact that he was on that Smokes role, but previous to that he was a pretty good flex, but since his break soo many people have overtaken him.
h9zard [#56]Kanpeki, Zellsis werent clout signings. shroud is the only move that they made where they prioritized clout over talent. they removed zombs too. they kept in tenz,shahz,sick and dapr all of whom used to be the best in the world at their roles at some point and has proved they are capable of competing with the best in the world.
kanpeki was a nepotism signing, zombs was dropped because shazam couldn't handle the public pressure. Zellsis was the only real signing and it happened at the same time as shroud. player run teams do not work long term, if the org SEN cared about winning they would've done something about a player run team yet they never did
TheAceGamer30 [#60]Aged well didn’t it?
it did, sen changed for good, its not like he wasnt right back then
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