DWG vs NTH? Battle of the favourites gonna be nice.
2-1 DWG in a close series
Phoenix, Yoru and KAY/O utility changes
xnfri
NTH
|
Derialy
NTH
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
Meiy
CR
|
10
11
-1
|
14
10
+4
|
17
9
+8
|
14
11
+3
|
9
13
-4
|
neth
CR
|
13
8
+5
|
10
12
-2
|
5
6
-1
|
17
8
+9
|
10
13
-3
|
rion
CR
|
5
10
-5
|
7
11
-4
|
8
5
+3
|
5
10
-5
|
8
12
-4
|
Astell
CR
|
7
9
-2
|
7
10
-3
|
13
6
+7
|
4
8
-4
|
10
12
-2
|
popogachi
CR
|
9
9
+0
|
6
10
-4
|
7
17
-10
|
6
10
-4
|
7
10
-3
|
xnfri
NTH
|
Derialy
NTH
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
Meiy
CR
|
3
2
+1
|
2
1
+1
|
4
2
+2
|
4
2
+2
|
1
5
-4
|
neth
CR
|
2
1
+1
|
1
0
+1
|
|
4
1
+3
|
2
5
-3
|
rion
CR
|
0
3
-3
|
0
1
-1
|
2
1
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
2
1
+1
|
Astell
CR
|
1
2
-1
|
1
0
+1
|
2
0
+2
|
|
0
3
-3
|
popogachi
CR
|
1
1
+0
|
1
0
+1
|
|
0
2
-2
|
0
2
-2
|
xnfri
NTH
|
Derialy
NTH
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
Meiy
CR
|
|
|
|
|
0
2
-2
|
neth
CR
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
1
2
-1
|
rion
CR
|
|
|
|
|
0
3
-3
|
Astell
CR
|
|
|
|
|
0
3
-3
|
popogachi
CR
|
|
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
rion
CR
|
|
8
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
32
|
0
|
1
|
neth
CR
|
|
12
|
1
|
1
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
56
|
6
|
3
|
popogachi
CR
|
|
6
|
1
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
40
|
3
|
0
|
Meiy
CR
|
|
11
|
4
|
2
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
61
|
1
|
2
|
Astell
CR
|
|
7
|
2
|
1
|
1
|
2
|
|
1
|
|
|
45
|
14
|
2
|
Derialy
NTH
|
|
11
|
2
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
57
|
12
|
1
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
|
10
|
2
|
|
|
2
|
|
|
|
|
45
|
12
|
1
|
xnfri
NTH
|
|
10
|
3
|
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
54
|
1
|
3
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
|
8
|
3
|
|
|
1
|
1
|
|
|
|
54
|
4
|
0
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
12
|
1
|
|
1
|
1
|
1
|
|
|
|
61
|
2
|
1
|
xnfri
NTH
|
Derialy
NTH
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
Meiy
CR
|
3
6
-3
|
5
4
+1
|
5
3
+2
|
6
3
+3
|
3
6
-3
|
neth
CR
|
6
3
+3
|
6
5
+1
|
3
2
+1
|
6
2
+4
|
4
5
-1
|
rion
CR
|
2
4
-2
|
4
5
-1
|
4
1
+3
|
3
3
+0
|
5
8
-3
|
Astell
CR
|
3
4
-1
|
1
4
-3
|
5
0
+5
|
3
5
-2
|
5
6
-1
|
popogachi
CR
|
5
3
+2
|
2
5
-3
|
3
3
+0
|
2
8
-6
|
4
4
+0
|
xnfri
NTH
|
Derialy
NTH
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
Meiy
CR
|
1
1
+0
|
1
0
+1
|
0
2
-2
|
2
2
+0
|
1
2
-1
|
neth
CR
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
|
0
3
-3
|
rion
CR
|
0
1
-1
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
1
0
+1
|
Astell
CR
|
1
1
+0
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
0
1
-1
|
popogachi
CR
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
0
2
-2
|
0
2
-2
|
xnfri
NTH
|
Derialy
NTH
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
Meiy
CR
|
|
|
|
|
0
2
-2
|
neth
CR
|
|
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
rion
CR
|
|
|
|
|
0
3
-3
|
Astell
CR
|
|
|
|
|
0
2
-2
|
popogachi
CR
|
|
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
rion
CR
|
|
4
Round 1
Meteor
JoXJo
Round 9
BlackWiz
xnfri
Round 18
JoXJo
Derialy
Round 22
Meteor
Derialy
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
42
|
0
|
0
|
neth
CR
|
|
6
Round 3
Derialy
JoXJo
Round 13
JoXJo
BlackWiz
Round 16
Meteor
Derialy
Round 17
xnfri
Meteor
Round 18
BlackWiz
xnfri
Round 25
Meteor
xnfri
|
|
1
Round 6
xnfri
Meteor
BlackWiz
Derialy
|
|
1
Round 16
Derialy
|
|
|
|
|
58
|
3
|
2
|
popogachi
CR
|
|
4
Round 7
JoXJo
Derialy
Round 12
Meteor
xnfri
Round 13
xnfri
Meteor
Round 14
Derialy
JoXJo
|
|
1
Round 24
JoXJo
Meteor
BlackWiz
xnfri
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
34
|
3
|
0
|
Meiy
CR
|
|
6
Round 3
BlackWiz
xnfri
Round 4
BlackWiz
Derialy
Round 7
xnfri
Meteor
Round 11
Meteor
JoXJo
Round 17
Derialy
JoXJo
Round 26
Derialy
BlackWiz
|
2
Round 23
Meteor
Derialy
xnfri
Round 28
BlackWiz
JoXJo
Derialy
|
|
|
1
Round 26
BlackWiz
|
|
|
|
|
53
|
1
|
0
|
Astell
CR
|
|
3
Round 4
Meteor
JoXJo
Round 10
xnfri
JoXJo
Round 22
BlackWiz
JoXJo
|
|
|
1
Round 19
JoXJo
xnfri
Derialy
Meteor
BlackWiz
|
|
|
1
Round 19
Meteor
BlackWiz
Derialy
|
|
|
51
|
5
|
0
|
Derialy
NTH
|
|
5
Round 2
rion
Astell
Round 12
neth
popogachi
Round 14
Meiy
neth
Round 16
popogachi
rion
Round 21
rion
Meiy
|
1
Round 1
neth
Astell
rion
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
49
|
7
|
1
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
|
1
Round 10
popogachi
neth
|
|
|
|
1
Round 6
neth
|
|
|
|
|
31
|
2
|
0
|
xnfri
NTH
|
|
4
Round 11
Meiy
rion
Round 12
rion
Astell
Round 16
Astell
Meiy
Round 28
rion
neth
|
1
Round 27
Astell
Meiy
neth
|
|
|
1
Round 27
neth
|
|
|
|
|
47
|
1
|
1
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
|
4
Round 5
rion
popogachi
Round 11
Astell
neth
BlackWiz
Round 17
Astell
rion
Round 26
popogachi
Astell
|
1
Round 25
Astell
neth
Meiy
|
|
|
1
Round 11
neth
|
|
|
|
|
48
|
2
|
0
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
6
Round 3
popogachi
rion
Round 6
Astell
rion
Round 8
neth
Meiy
Round 9
Astell
rion
Round 10
rion
Astell
Round 28
Astell
Meiy
|
|
|
1
Round 20
neth
Meiy
popogachi
Astell
rion
|
|
1
Round 10
rion
Astell
|
|
|
|
68
|
1
|
0
|
xnfri
NTH
|
Derialy
NTH
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
Meiy
CR
|
5
3
+2
|
5
4
+1
|
5
5
+0
|
6
2
+4
|
3
4
-1
|
neth
CR
|
3
3
+0
|
4
1
+3
|
1
3
-2
|
7
1
+6
|
4
5
-1
|
rion
CR
|
3
3
+0
|
2
2
+0
|
3
0
+3
|
2
5
-3
|
2
2
+0
|
Astell
CR
|
4
3
+1
|
2
3
-1
|
6
2
+4
|
1
2
-1
|
4
2
+2
|
popogachi
CR
|
1
4
-3
|
3
3
+0
|
3
6
-3
|
3
1
+2
|
3
4
-1
|
xnfri
NTH
|
Derialy
NTH
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
Meiy
CR
|
1
0
+1
|
1
1
+0
|
2
0
+2
|
2
0
+2
|
0
2
-2
|
neth
CR
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
4
0
+4
|
1
2
-1
|
rion
CR
|
0
1
-1
|
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
|
Astell
CR
|
0
1
-1
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
|
popogachi
CR
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
|
xnfri
NTH
|
Derialy
NTH
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
Meiy
CR
|
|
|
|
|
|
neth
CR
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
1
1
+0
|
rion
CR
|
|
|
|
|
|
Astell
CR
|
|
|
|
|
|
popogachi
CR
|
|
|
|
|
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
rion
CR
|
|
3
Round 6
Meteor
Derialy
Round 18
xnfri
BlackWiz
Round 20
BlackWiz
JoXJo
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
40
|
0
|
1
|
neth
CR
|
|
4
Round 6
JoXJo
xnfri
Round 8
Meteor
Derialy
Round 16
BlackWiz
Meteor
Round 20
Meteor
Derialy
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
63
|
3
|
1
|
popogachi
CR
|
|
2
Round 4
xnfri
Derialy
Round 14
Meteor
JoXJo
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
49
|
0
|
0
|
Meiy
CR
|
|
2
Round 3
JoXJo
xnfri
Round 22
JoXJo
BlackWiz
|
1
Round 13
Derialy
xnfri
BlackWiz
|
2
Round 1
Derialy
xnfri
BlackWiz
Meteor
Round 23
Meteor
JoXJo
xnfri
Derialy
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
56
|
0
|
1
|
Astell
CR
|
|
2
Round 10
JoXJo
BlackWiz
Round 11
JoXJo
Meteor
|
2
Round 12
Meteor
Derialy
xnfri
Round 19
xnfri
Meteor
JoXJo
|
1
Round 2
Derialy
Meteor
xnfri
JoXJo
|
|
1
Round 14
xnfri
|
|
|
|
|
58
|
7
|
2
|
Derialy
NTH
|
|
4
Round 6
Meiy
popogachi
Round 7
Meiy
Astell
Round 15
popogachi
Astell
Round 21
rion
neth
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
57
|
4
|
0
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
|
4
Round 9
neth
popogachi
Round 11
Meiy
popogachi
Round 12
Meiy
Astell
Round 22
popogachi
Astell
|
|
|
|
1
Round 12
Astell
|
|
|
|
|
51
|
6
|
1
|
xnfri
NTH
|
|
3
Round 12
popogachi
rion
Round 15
neth
rion
Round 22
rion
Meiy
|
1
Round 14
neth
popogachi
Meiy
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
57
|
0
|
1
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
|
|
1
Round 5
rion
Astell
neth
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
39
|
0
|
0
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
3
Round 1
neth
popogachi
Round 10
Astell
rion
Round 17
neth
rion
|
1
Round 21
Meiy
popogachi
Astell
|
|
|
1
Round 10
rion
|
|
|
|
|
54
|
0
|
1
|
xnfri
NTH
|
Derialy
NTH
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
Meiy
CR
|
2
2
+0
|
4
2
+2
|
7
1
+6
|
2
6
-4
|
3
3
+0
|
neth
CR
|
4
2
+2
|
0
6
-6
|
1
1
+0
|
4
5
-1
|
2
3
-1
|
rion
CR
|
0
3
-3
|
1
4
-3
|
1
4
-3
|
0
2
-2
|
1
2
-1
|
Astell
CR
|
0
2
-2
|
4
3
+1
|
2
4
-2
|
0
1
-1
|
1
4
-3
|
popogachi
CR
|
3
2
+1
|
1
2
-1
|
1
8
-7
|
1
1
+0
|
0
2
-2
|
xnfri
NTH
|
Derialy
NTH
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
Meiy
CR
|
1
1
+0
|
|
2
0
+2
|
|
0
1
-1
|
neth
CR
|
1
1
+0
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
1
0
+1
|
rion
CR
|
0
1
-1
|
0
1
-1
|
0
1
-1
|
|
1
1
+0
|
Astell
CR
|
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
0
2
-2
|
popogachi
CR
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
|
xnfri
NTH
|
Derialy
NTH
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
BlackWiz
NTH
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
Meiy
CR
|
|
|
|
|
|
neth
CR
|
|
|
|
|
|
rion
CR
|
|
|
|
|
|
Astell
CR
|
|
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
popogachi
CR
|
|
|
|
|
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
rion
CR
|
|
1
Round 10
Derialy
JoXJo
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
15
|
0
|
0
|
neth
CR
|
|
2
Round 2
BlackWiz
xnfri
Round 3
xnfri
BlackWiz
|
1
Round 4
xnfri
BlackWiz
Meteor
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
46
|
0
|
0
|
popogachi
CR
|
|
|
1
Round 5
BlackWiz
xnfri
Derialy
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
37
|
0
|
0
|
Meiy
CR
|
|
3
Round 7
xnfri
Meteor
Round 8
JoXJo
Derialy
Round 15
BlackWiz
Derialy
|
1
Round 6
Derialy
Meteor
JoXJo
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
74
|
0
|
1
|
Astell
CR
|
|
2
Round 2
Meteor
Derialy
Round 3
JoXJo
Derialy
|
|
|
|
1
Round 2
Derialy
|
|
|
|
|
26
|
2
|
0
|
Derialy
NTH
|
|
2
Round 17
Astell
Meiy
Round 18
neth
Astell
|
1
Round 2
popogachi
neth
rion
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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64
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1
|
0
|
JoXJo
NTH
|
|
5
Round 1
rion
popogachi
Round 4
popogachi
neth
Round 12
popogachi
Astell
Round 16
Astell
popogachi
Round 17
rion
popogachi
|
2
Round 7
Meiy
popogachi
Astell
Round 14
Astell
popogachi
rion
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
54
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4
|
0
|
xnfri
NTH
|
|
3
Round 9
rion
Astell
Round 11
neth
rion
Round 18
popogachi
rion
|
1
Round 13
popogachi
Meiy
Astell
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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59
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0
|
1
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BlackWiz
NTH
|
|
4
Round 6
Meiy
neth
Round 8
Meiy
neth
Round 12
Meiy
rion
Round 14
neth
Meiy
|
1
Round 10
Astell
Meiy
rion
|
|
|
|
1
Round 6
neth
Meiy
|
|
|
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74
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2
|
0
|
Meteor
NTH
|
|
3
Round 1
Astell
Meiy
Round 8
rion
popogachi
Round 9
Meiy
neth
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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62
|
1
|
0
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CR 2-1 NTH
I do feel like the bad audio at SSA gave NTH the upper hand. Due to not having great comms to begin with, they weren't that affected by not being able to hear each other. Historically CR have consistently beaten NTH outside of LAN, but NTH now has international experience. It'll be a close series and can see it being 2-1 in either direction really.
No need to be hostile. Like I said, I feel like NTH benefitted from the bad audio during the LAN. If you give that argument any weight than the true record is 1-1, but with a long history of CR beating NTH before that.
I also gave credit to NTH for being able to pick up international experience and that giving them alot of improvement. I also said that I could see the series going 2-1 in either direction, but as my flair suggests I have a slight CR bias so I give it to them. So I don't think it's delusional.
Okay. First of all, CR has been losing to Nth 3 series in a row in the Stage 3 as you might know. But only the last match (Stage 3 playoffs lower final) was held in SSA, and other 2 matches were held ONLINE, not on LAN. This means your argument that CR have consistently beaten Nth outside of LAN is completely wrong. Btw im not gonna deny the audio issues affected the performance of CR side on the match at SSA, but I have to emphasise again that the other 2 matches where Nth won against CR were held online.
Second, it's true that CR were consistently beating Nth until the stage 1, but that really does mean nothing now because the roster of Nth was completely different last year (even a single player/coach isn't remaining now). CR still won once after the complete roster change of Nth, but after that Munchkin left CR and from then CR has not won a single series against Nth, simply because they lost their star player. Hopefully you learn much more about JP scene.
Lol it's funny how you always have to be hostile in some form, so passive aggressive man. I watch the Japanese scene exclusively for 2 years. And turns out I was right, 2-1 in a close series, just wish it went the other way lol.
I'm glad that NTH seems to have improved from their international experience. They're executes are much cleaner than when they only had JP experience. I'm also glad that even with that experience, CR have shown improvement as well, I feel like they're gelling a bit better. They still have a good deal to go before being able to compete with Zeta I feel like, but I think they stand well within reach for the top.
Personally, as a long time fan of the Japanese scene, I'm just happy that Japan is growing at such a stellar rate. I think that's something that both of us can agree on, don't you think? :)
Yeah I heard about EggsQQ saying that about Saitama! After watching how close this series was I'm just glad that it seems that Japan as a whole region has really grown so much.
I've watched it grow from the beginning when the casters were sat in front of just a green screen and a questionable desk lol. To now Japan being able to make it to top 3 at internationals. It's been a great journey so far :)
I feel like most people are starting to underestimate them since Munchkin left CR. Yes, they're not weak but not that strong either right now. If CR can beat NTH with this new roster, it will be one of a big achievement for them because they haven't managed to defeat them with this roster. I'm not saying that rion is weak or something, it's just Meteor is so strong and they together need to do something about this.