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Volatile [#4]Should definitely be two considering the player base and popularity of the game in Turkey
not when eu only has 10 slots
Mortadelo [#6]I don’t see why Turkey should have their own assigned spots like in other Franchises. Obviously Riot is gonna give them at least one slot to get their fanbase, but other than that, they have their own VRL, is like saying Nordics , Spanish, East and the other VRLs need their own slots in franchising
Turkey has a bigger player base then those countries
Volatile [#7]Turkey has a bigger player base then those countries
French and Spanish are the most watched leagues
Mortadelo [#8]French and Spanish are the most watched leagues
bro when wtcn is watchpartying is minimum 50k. if BBL gets to masters or champions probably 100k no cap
Mortadelo [#8]French and Spanish are the most watched leagues
I think Spain also big community in EMEA, maybe only behind Turkey, next is Germany/France idk
Mortadelo [#8]French and Spanish are the most watched leagues
Because KOI and KCORP are playing. Before them they were not watched as much as now.
Hewcho [#9]bro when wtcn is watchpartying is minimum 50k. if BBL gets to masters or champions probably 100k no cap
He already got 100K during local qualifier. If BBL gets to champions it could reach 200k
Mortadelo [#6]I don’t see why Turkey should have their own assigned spots like in other Franchises. Obviously Riot is gonna give them at least one slot to get their fanbase, but other than that, they have their own VRL, is like saying Nordics , Spanish, East and the other VRLs need their own slots in franchising
that's an L turkey definitely needs a spot and deserves it
Mapusaurus [#5]not when eu only has 10 slots
If MENA gets 1 slot, I feel like Turkey should have 2 at least.
Perhaps they can have a 12-team league, as some already started suggesting is a possibility.
In that case
7 EU
2 TR
2 CIS
1 MENA
seems fair.
NG1nS [#13]that's an L turkey definitely needs a spot and deserves it
I mean yesnt, imo no regions in themselves deserve a slot, simply because we have way too many regions in EMEA for it;
however every region should feel represented and thats where i feel like turkey should be getting a team in, just based on historically the language barrier being an issue for a lot of Turkish players joining international teams (since id be worried they'd end up significantly underrepresented from a player-base -> pro player ratio)
Hewcho [#9]bro when wtcn is watchpartying is minimum 50k. if BBL gets to masters or champions probably 100k no cap
Spanish streams also reach those numbers when G2, KRU ir LEV plays
And with co streams of Grefg and Ibai (KOI vs Heretics) we’ve reached 100k on our VRL
Volatile [#11]Because KOI and KCORP are playing. Before them they were not watched as much as now.
But we do how them now, so my question is why would Turkey have assigned spots and Spain and France not? Only cause they are a different region in Lol?
Targu1n [#15]I mean yesnt, imo no regions in themselves deserve a slot, simply because we have way too many regions in EMEA for it;
however every region should feel represented and thats where i feel like turkey should be getting a team in, just based on historically the language barrier being an issue for a lot of Turkish players joining international teams (since id be worried they'd end up significantly underrepresented from a player-base -> pro player ratio)
Exactly this, is not a matter of Turkey deserves 1 spot or 2, it’s a matter of representing everyone while having the higher level
NG1nS [#13]that's an L turkey definitely needs a spot and deserves it
Ofc they should, but is not a matter of how many slots they deserve
Not saying they shouldn’t be there, I’m saying it’s not like 6 spots EMEA 2 Turkey 2 Russia, turkey and russia should be like any other region in VRL
Targu1n [#15]I mean yesnt, imo no regions in themselves deserve a slot, simply because we have way too many regions in EMEA for it;
however every region should feel represented and thats where i feel like turkey should be getting a team in, just based on historically the language barrier being an issue for a lot of Turkish players joining international teams (since id be worried they'd end up significantly underrepresented from a player-base -> pro player ratio)
yes honestly the main reason Turkish players aren't well emerged in EU teams is the language
Mortadelo [#17]But we do how them now, so my question is why would Turkey have assigned spots and Spain and France not? Only cause they are a different region in Lol?
As I said previously, it is about the player base being as big as it is. Turkey has about 6% of the total Valorant players. This is the same percentage as Brazil, and more than for example Philippines/Indonesia. It in fact is the second biggest (together with Brazil) "country" after the U.S (which has 22%).
Mortadelo [#18]Exactly this, is not a matter of Turkey deserves 1 spot or 2, it’s a matter of representing everyone while having the higher level
It is about representing everyone fairly according to potential and player base in my opinion. It is not right to give Turkey the same number of slots as MENA because Turkey is much bigger in terms of player size. Also check #21.
Volatile [#22]It is about representing everyone fairly according to potential and player base in my opinion. It is not right to give Turkey the same number of slots as MENA because Turkey is much bigger in terms of player size. Also check #21.
It is fair to give Turkey as many spots as Turkish teams meet the requirements. My point is there shouldn’t be a minimum or a maximum, just the teams meet whatever Riot requirements are and fit in those 10 teams
Mortadelo [#16]Spanish streams also reach those numbers when G2, KRU ir LEV plays
And with co streams of Grefg and Ibai (KOI vs Heretics) we’ve reached 100k on our VRL
he is talking about ONLY wtcn stream the numbers go up way more than that
BBL_Wtcn [#24]he is talking about ONLY wtcn stream the numbers go up way more than that
I’m talking about only Ibai’s stream Koi’s founder (The guy with the twitch world record 3.3 Million viewers). And then Grefg the person with the previous record 2.4 million
Hewcho [#9]bro when wtcn is watchpartying is minimum 50k. if BBL gets to masters or champions probably 100k no cap
r u studying to be a dentist in bulgaria?
Mortadelo [#25]I’m talking about only Ibai’s stream Koi’s founder (The guy with the twitch world record 3.3 Million viewers). And then Grefg the person with the previous record 2.4 million
yeah and he got himself a spot didn't he? i don't get what are u two arguing about ur saying the same thing
Mortadelo [#27]That’s not the Hungary flag bro xDDD
fuck bro i got mixed up but i knew this flag is the one with low university fees for dentists for overseas students
NG1nS [#28]yeah and he got himself a spot didn't he? i don't get what are u two arguing about ur saying the same thing
We don’t have go got a spot. All I’m saying is that in the case of EMEA is not like in America where they have to divide spots between the regions. I’m saying in EMEA CIS or Turkey shouldn’t have any more privileges than the other subregions in EMEA
XITERR_ [#29]fuck bro i got mixed up but i knew this flag is the one with low university fees for dentists for overseas students
It’s okay, Bulgaria and Hungary are actually similar flags, I usually always check first just in case
Mortadelo [#30]We don’t have go got a spot. All I’m saying is that in the case of EMEA is not like in America where they have to divide spots between the regions. I’m saying in EMEA CIS or Turkey shouldn’t have any more privileges than the other subregions in EMEA
dude spain is not even a region. your region is called eu you are part of this region and you get your slots from this region
Volatile [#4]Should definitely be two considering the player base and popularity of the game in Turkey
nah 1 is enough turkish players cann be fine in foreign orgs but taking out a big org to add SMB or futbolist is a mistake
Mortadelo [#30]We don’t have go got a spot. All I’m saying is that in the case of EMEA is not like in America where they have to divide spots between the regions. I’m saying in EMEA CIS or Turkey shouldn’t have any more privileges than the other subregions in EMEA
they do tho they got a spot from eu bro i think u don't get the eu emea difference
Unsicklaupedy [#32]dude spain is not even a region. your region is called eu you are part of this region and you get your slots from this region
You’re right, my country is not a region. Spain, Portugal and Italy are, and it’s called Southern Europe. But anyway, what I’m asking you is why do you think you’re country can be a region by itself and mine and three others can’t
Mortadelo [#35]You’re right, my country is not a region. Spain, Portugal and Italy are, and it’s called Southern Europe. But anyway, what I’m asking you is why do you think you’re country can be a region by itself and mine and three others can’t
ask riot they treat cis and turkey as a separate regions
NG1nS [#34]they do tho they got a spot from eu bro i think u don't get the eu emea difference
Ik exactly what the EU EMEA difference is, I just think it makes 0 sense to divide it like that. Dude all I’m saying is that it’s unfair if for example TR has two guaranteed spots and CIS has another two and then the other 6 can the entire EU, don’t understand why those two countries have to be different
NG1nS [#36]ask riot they treat cis and turkey as a separate regions
Actually nothing guarantees that they are doing that rn. If BBL had ended up last and lost to VRL teams there would not be Turkish teams and Riot couldn’t do anything about it.
The fact that they have treated them like that doesn’t mean that they will in the future, or that is right to do so
Mortadelo [#35]You’re right, my country is not a region. Spain, Portugal and Italy are, and it’s called Southern Europe. But anyway, what I’m asking you is why do you think you’re country can be a region by itself and mine and three others can’t
just understand that if Turkey was in europe riot wouldn't treat us as a separate region
Mortadelo [#37]Ik exactly what the EU EMEA difference is, I just think it makes 0 sense to divide it like that. Dude all I’m saying is that it’s unfair if for example TR has two guaranteed spots and CIS has another two and then the other 6 can the entire EU, don’t understand why those two countries have to be different
they don't have 2 what are u talking about
Unsicklaupedy [#39]just understand that if Turkey was in europe riot wouldn't treat us as a separate region
Ofc I understand why Riot does it my friend. All I’m telling you is I don’t believe is right, that’s it
NG1nS [#40]they don't have 2 what are u talking about
That’s what if means my friend.
Go read #1 comment of this whole thread, dude literally asked if they deserve two spots or one. I’m just answering
Mortadelo [#37]Ik exactly what the EU EMEA difference is, I just think it makes 0 sense to divide it like that. Dude all I’m saying is that it’s unfair if for example TR has two guaranteed spots and CIS has another two and then the other 6 can the entire EU, don’t understand why those two countries have to be different
also my friend why are u fixated on cis and turkey
for example apac do u really think that if riot tried to have a popularity competition do you actually think that each active region will get a spot? hell nah it would be way different so it's not only about the requirements they want to give the region with it's different parts a chance
even with thay turkey already have what u need from it being treated as different part of eu and having a great amount of fans, they check all the boxes
i think turkey should get 1 cis idk honestly
Mortadelo [#42]That’s what if means my friend.
Go read #1 comment of this whole thread, dude literally asked if they deserve two spots or one. I’m just answering
with 12 spots i don't see why with 10 they whould have 1 imo
Mortadelo [#23]It is fair to give Turkey as many spots as Turkish teams meet the requirements. My point is there shouldn’t be a minimum or a maximum, just the teams meet whatever Riot requirements are and fit in those 10 teams
yes but with that some regions wouldn't get any spots
like apac, i don't every part of that region will have an org that can beat the top spots don't u think so?
Mortadelo [#41]Ofc I understand why Riot does it my friend. All I’m telling you is I don’t believe is right, that’s it
You think Turkey is privileged, but there are 5 minor regions in Europe, if Europe gets 8 slots, each minor region gets 1.6 slots. and if Turkey gets 1 slot, this will not be a privilege
NG1nS [#43]also my friend why are u fixated on cis and turkey
for example apac do u really think that if riot tried to have a popularity competition do you actually think that each active region will get a spot? hell nah it would be way different so it's not only about the requirements they want to give the region with it's different parts a chance
even with thay turkey already have what u need from it being treated as different part of eu and having a great amount of fans, they check all the boxes
i think turkey should get 1 cis idk honestly
“i think turkey should get 1 cis idk honestly“
I understand this is a pretty complex thread now so I’m just gonna do a summary
What you just said right there is the whole summary of what’s wrong here. My whole point is that it should be oh give 1 spot to Turkey and 3 to CIS or whatever. Riot should pick the teams to make a league that the most amount of people is gonna watch with the orgs that have the best economic stability and fanbase, Idc where tf those orgs are from. Obviously if you want the biggest amount of viewers you’re gonna put a team from each one of the biggest regions, Tr, CIS, France, Spain, maybe something Nordic, and then once you have everyone’s attention just the teams that deserve it the most and meet the requirements the best
NG1nS [#46]yes but with that some regions wouldn't get any spots
like apac, i don't every part of that region will have an org that can beat the top spots don't u think so?
Riot’s objective is to have leagues the most popular leagues possible, so evidently they wanna give at least 1 spot to every region to keep people interested. The argument is what happens after that
Unsicklaupedy [#47]You think Turkey is privileged, but there are 5 minor regions in Europe, if Europe gets 8 slots, each minor region gets 1.6 slots. and if Turkey gets 1 slot, this will not be a privilege
Dude if we haven’t agreed yet I don’t think we are gonna agree, so let’s just give up and agree to disagree. Is not that big of a deal anyway
BackoxyXD [#45]i live in turkey and where can i go everyone talks about valorant
valorant is so popular here
need slot
After school we went to the net cafe with friends
Place for a hundred and they only play Valorant
Mortadelo [#41]Ofc I understand why Riot does it my friend. All I’m telling you is I don’t believe is right, that’s it
bro whats your argument about??? BBL isn't just getting a spot because it is a TR team it literally is the most popular team in the VCT in terms of views I mean go check esport charts if you want and Valorant is a huge game in Turkey so its understandable they would want BBL also Spain has 3 potential leaked candidates in the final so I don't understand your point
BBL_Wtcn [#53]bro whats your argument about??? BBL isn't just getting a spot because it is a TR team it literally is the most popular team in the VCT in terms of views I mean go check esport charts if you want and Valorant is a huge game in Turkey so its understandable they would want BBL also Spain has 3 potential leaked candidates in the final so I don't understand your point
Exactly bro literally what you just said is what my whole argument is about. All I’m saying is that subregions shouldn’t have a defined amount of slots. Ofc fucking BBL is gonna make it they are huge, and maybe other Turkish teams too if that’s what Riot thinks they are the better candidates, never said the opposite. Just said this is not a matter of how many spots Tr should get, the debate should be about how many Turkish orgs are good enough
Mortadelo [#55]Exactly bro literally what you just said is what my whole argument is about. All I’m saying is that subregions shouldn’t have a defined amount of slots. Ofc fucking BBL is gonna make it they are huge, and maybe other Turkish teams too if that’s what Riot thinks they are the better candidates, never said the opposite. Just said this is not a matter of how many spots Tr should get, the debate should be about how many Turkish orgs are good enough
franchising is all about increasing both Valorant and the orgs profit so it does make sense that they give sub regions like TR slots I know it doesn't sound fair but Valorant is just way too big in these countries in fact if you check #21 you can see that TR is the second most popular country in valorant (with Brazil) only being behind NA but it only seems like 1 team from TR is going to be getting a Franchising spot which isn't a problem as most Valorant players in Turkey support BBL anyways
Mortadelo [#52]There’s 10 spots not 12
well then 1 turkey, bcz i don't think they have any org that could have more than the other eu orgs like
G2, FNATIC, LIQUID, KC, VITALITY, KOI, BIG
honestly what about SMB do they have more fanbase and stuff than teams like
GIANTS, MOUZ, GUILD, MAD LIONS, FOKUS, OGLU ?
i'm going with the requirements not the representation, it there any team other than BBL that can have a better stats than the teams that i mentioned in the second line? what do you think?
NG1nS [#57]well then 1 turkey, bcz i don't think they have any org that could have more than the other eu orgs like
G2, FNATIC, LIQUID, KC, VITALITY, KOI, BIGhonestly what about SMB do they have more fanbase and stuff than teams like
GIANTS, MOUZ, GUILD, MAD LIONS, FOKUS, OGLU ?
i'm going with the requirements not the representation, it there any team other than BBL that can have a better stats than the teams that i mentioned in the second line? what do you think?
As far as Ik SMB is decently big, but that’s up to Riot to decide if they are bigger than other orgs. Also other things count too, for example MAD relationship with Riot could help them, they know they are reliable
Gutssz [#54]If the old SMB had not disbanded and the new BBL roster had done some success, Turkey could have been looked at differently.
our past achievements are none other than Masters
The old SMB roster was not going to workout in the long term they all had massive ego problems
BBL_Wtcn [#59]The old SMB roster was not going to workout in the long term they all had massive ego problems
just russ started drama paura turko izzy brave can continue but they dont want (source: izzy)
Volatile [#14]If MENA gets 1 slot, I feel like Turkey should have 2 at least.
Perhaps they can have a 12-team league, as some already started suggesting is a possibility.
In that case
7 EU
2 TR
2 CIS
1 MENA
seems fair.
Agree with all of this.
If Americas get 12, emea should as well. Turkey needs at least 2 spots they are the ones that play the most. And they also carry a lot of the viewership. This is fair
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