Evidence: Streaming IMPACTS officials NEGATIVELY!

https://twitter.com/willminder/status/1539010519134347267

The more your whole team streams, the more maps you will lose. @shahzam @tenz @dapr

Here is clear cut evidence (to Sen fans mostly) that shows streaming EXCESSIVELY is one of the NEGATIVE REASONS which cause teams to lose. Notice how i didn’t say streaming but in fact I said EXCESSIVE streaming.

Ofc u can stream If it doesn’t impact your teams performance.

Ofc you can stream if doesn’t impact your practice hours. Sure. But don’t do it too much because the evidence is right there.

The middle dot at the top was probably cryocells putting up those numbers for Xset. 1st dot is obviously optic.

makes sense potter hasn't streamed in forever

DELUSIONAL_POTTER_FAN [#3]

makes sense potter hasn't streamed in forever

Potter

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shazam has said that esports dnt buy his house, streaming is

tonyhart7 [#6]

shazam has said that esports dnt buy his house, streaming is

then be a content creator then

DELUSIONAL_POTTER_FAN [#7]

then be a content creator then

It is the pros is side job

DELUSIONAL_POTTER_FAN [#7]

then be a content creator then

Exactly we want to watch the best of the best, we wanna see how far humans can go and you are not helping.

and all of these sen dick riders were defending them streaming with their life lmao,ive been saying this guys point since people started to talk about his streaming being a problem

tonyhart7 [#6]

shazam has said that esports dnt buy his house, streaming is

We don’t gaf about his rent, fans care about performance and glory.

tonyhart7 [#8]

It is the pros is side job

then he should not once mald or lie about how theyre trying so hard and giving their everything when they clearly arent,if sen wants to be a tier 2 team thats ok but i dont want to hear any excuses,imagine wasting a young talent like tenz career on this bullshit team with a bullshit mindset

🐀 RatZam take notes

HaSanity [#9]

Exactly we want to watch the best of the best, we wanna see how far humans can go and you are not helping.

You are disconnected from reality dude

who cares about shazam ? Its his choice

tonyhart7 [#14]

You are disconnected from reality dude

who cares about shazam ? Its his choice

true but,he should not act like he cares about being the best and living up to the fans expectations tho,who would be mad at a casual player just playing for fun,if shahzam wants to be like that then he should embrace it,not cry and act like they are some top team acting like he doesnt know what the problem is when everyone has been showing it down his throat for the past 6 months

asdfgh [#15]

true but,he should not act like he cares about being the best and living up to the fans expectations tho,who would be mad at a casual player just playing for fun,if shahzam wants to be like that then he should embrace it,not cry and act like they are some top team acting like he doesnt know what the problem is when everyone has been showing it down his throat for the past 6 months

Nah You overdramatising it

i like how no one actually paid attention to the graph

tonyhart7 [#16]

Nah You overdramatising it

the fact is shahzam is just ignorant of his own situation and constantly denies streaming is a problem yet his team performs like dogshit for the last 6 months,he wants to be good but he cares more about streaming so he refuses to accept it has any effect to his teams performance,he thinks they are just magically one day gonna return to their old form while so many teams have already outwork and surpassed them

I don't think you can really use this graph to prove much, the sample size seems very small and there are a lot of things that impact win rate that haven't been considered to make a full comparison. Would love to see a much larger test one day, to see if we can actually get to something

jawn [#17]

i like how no one actually paid attention to the graph

wdym,is there something people are missing

GLN321 [#19]

I don't think you can really use this graph to prove much, the sample size seems very small and there are a lot of things that impact win rate that haven't been considered to make a full comparison. Would love to see a much larger test one day, to see if we can actually get to something

Of course there are many factors. There isn’t 1 sole reason a team underperforms however it is still a factor that needs to be respected.

HaSanity [#2]

The middle dot at the top was probably cryocells putting up those numbers for Xset. 1st dot is obviously optic.

You are correct.
I went ahead and found what all the rest of them were, though I'm not sure about 100T, NRG, LG, and EG, since they all have the same winrate.
https://imgur.com/a/YaU82yi

HaSanity [#21]

Of course there are many factors. There isn’t 1 sole reason a team underperforms however it is still a factor that needs to be respected.

I don't think you understand what I said; I mean that there are many factors that could be (and almost certainly are) altering the result of this precise analysis, and so we can't really claim it as evidence of anything. Say, for example, this test was to be made at first strike NA where three out of the top 4 teams were 100T, SEN, and TSM, with notable streamers like Hiko, Wardell, Subroza, etc. Or maybe at the masters 3 qualifier.

GLN321 [#23]

I don't think you understand what I said; I mean that there are many factors that could be (and almost certainly are) altering the result of this precise analysis, and so we can't really claim it as evidence of anything. Say, for example, this test was to be made at first strike NA where three out of the top 4 teams were 100T, SEN, and TSM, with notable streamers like Hiko, Wardell, Subroza, etc. Or maybe at the masters 3 qualifier.

I’m gonna agree with you here, but because there truly isn’t enough evidence to support my hypothesis, i agree and I would love if there was something like this made for challengers 1 2022 because at that point, valorant was stable unlike the time of first strike.

CongoBat [#22]

You are correct.
I went ahead and found what all the rest of them were, though I'm not sure about 100T, NRG, LG, and EG, since they all have the same winrate.
https://imgur.com/a/YaU82yi

Thanks man!

OP mentioned that there is small to zero correlation (https://twitter.com/willminder/status/1538989988934823937)
In order to make this reliable, everyone should have a controlled situation where the only variables are those that are mentioned.
Still, Im not defending those pro players who stream regularly but "false" statistics is very dangerous

We don't need graphs to prove this point. Look at all the top NA teams, most of their players don't stream alot (OPTC, XSET, 100T, NRG). And then look at SEN. we all know what the players of SEN are capable of. It's very clear they aren't doing they're best.

tonyhart7 [#6]

shazam has said that esports dnt buy his house, streaming is

Then leave the competitive scene and become full time content creator.

But you know why he doesn't go full CC? Because he would flop. Without the pro-scene drama he can't get viewers