seeing a lot of people wanting xeta back to c9 but its already confirmed that both xeta and autumn requested to leave,
what are people expecting? That hes going to suddenly change his mind and come back?
curry was the best player from t1 for the trade and every single pro says he helps the team in more ways behind the scenes, and theyve been playing cs together for years
was it a bad trade? yes, but what do you expect for c9 to do? hold xeta hostage until he starts playing like ben simmons on the 76ers?
of course c9 wont play as well without an important player and their literal head coach, what did you expect?
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KoreanOverlord [#2]https://youtu.be/9eSTseyauo0?t=103
watch this u pepega
funny thing is vanity starts off by saying its pretty transparent but I guess it wasnt enough for dimwits like you
KoreanOverlord [#2]https://youtu.be/9eSTseyauo0?t=103
watch this u pepega
https://twitter.com/JackEtienne/status/1527040684775026688
use your brain.
ceo confirms while vanity has changed the story 3 different times
korean player and coach traded to korean org
suicidal timing for the team
its very "transparent" you cant critically think about a situation youreslf before believing someone who changes a narrative several times
of course hes going to say that to the when asked by valorant press, how do you believe that?
kumi [#7]https://twitter.com/JackEtienne/status/1527040684775026688
use your brain.
ceo confirms while vanity has changed the story 3 different times
korean player and coach traded to korean org
suicidal timing for the team
its very "transparent" you cant critically think about a situation youreslf before believing someone who changes a narrative several times
of course hes going to say that to the when asked by valorant press, how do you believe that?
ah yes, the public statement of the ceo is the truth, he couldn't possibly be saying that so fans don't go for his throat, or maybe the decision was made internally within the team and that was only what was told to the ceo. Of course, the logical answer is that xeta and autunm wanted to leave the team with masters and champs aspirations to instead go sit for 6 months at the very least playing mickey mouses with t1 because "korean org"
GLN321 [#8]ah yes, the public statement of the ceo is the truth, he couldn't possibly be saying that so fans don't go for his throat, or maybe the decision was made internally within the team and that was only what was told to the ceo. Of course, the logical answer is that xeta and autunm wanted to leave the team with masters and champs aspirations to instead go sit for 6 months at the very least playing mickey mouses with t1 because "korean org"
again, just think about it. the statement that vanity gave to the public is non-confrontational and has no consequences if untrue. If the ceo's statement is a lie, then the potential consequences would actually be harmful towards the reputation of the org. Vanity has clearly changed his story many times in streams and in chat.
With the future of franchising, you dont know whats happening with t1. We know that orgs and select players already received information on franchising, I'm guessing this is why xeta and autumn wanted to make this deal in the first place.
If t1 moves to korea (since they have no chance of franchising in NA) they would want to keep the rights to xeta and autumn before another team picks them up
If vanity is telling the entire story in the interview, does it not mean anything if two members that joined c9 from the same team at the same time get kicked off from the same team at the same time?
does nothing add up? are there not coincidences that maybe yall cant put together given context/timing?
kumi [#9]again, just think about it. the statement that vanity gave to the public is non-confrontational and has no consequences if untrue. If the ceo's statement is a lie, then the potential consequences would actually be harmful towards the reputation of the org. Vanity has clearly changed his story many times in streams and in chat.
With the future of franchising, you dont know whats happening with t1. We know that orgs and select players already received information on franchising, I'm guessing this is why xeta and autumn wanted to make this deal in the first place.
If t1 moves to korea (since they have no chance of franchising in NA) they would want to keep the rights to xeta and autumn before another team picks them up
If vanity is telling the entire story in the interview, does it not mean anything if two members that joined c9 from the same team at the same time get kicked off from the same team at the same time?
does nothing add up? are there not coincidences that maybe yall cant put together given context/timing?
1, the statements that vanity gave are confrontational, because it makes the team directly responsible for the failure of the swap (as it was) if it was a "forced" transfer, then fans, as you have in your original post, would not blame the team becayse it was xeta who wanted to leave, instead of them making a change because they felt it would make them better.
2, the statement of the ceo doesn't have to be a lie, there very well could've have been an internal talk within the team, where they told xeta that they wanted to replace him, so he might have made the request after being told he was replaced. Either way, it was the team's interest in curry that sparked the move.
3, vanity hasn't really changed his story, he has just added extra information as to why they made the change. he might have been told to say other stuff by the org, but he's said multiple times that they wanted to make the change. (in this video's comment section, for example: https://youtu.be/9eSTseyauo0)
4, I don't know about t1's status for franchising, but I'd say c9 are closer to getting there than t1. They've also said that they're commited to staying in north america, and every report about franchising in asia seem to include 1 or 2 korean teams (bo hoogland prediction) A change of regions for t1 right now doesn't seem likely. Xeta has also stated that he wants to stay in NA, doubt he would go to t1 if they're planning on changing regions xeta tweet
5, idk exactly what you wanted to say with this, but vanity has also stated that autumn didnt affect the inner workings of the team that much and that jamezirl was always the head coach, it would make sense that t1 would want to take the coach while they're in negotiations with c9 since they didn't have one and autumn would have more protagonism in t1.
I'd also like to hear your view as to why xeta would prefer to jump ships mid season to a team that has nothing to play for instead of giving it his all at c9 for challengers/masters/lcq/champs, and then maybe leave the team if t1 are still there, maybe I'm missing something myself
GLN321 [#10]1, the statements that vanity gave are confrontational, because it makes the team directly responsible for the failure of the swap (as it was) if it was a "forced" transfer, then fans, as you have in your original post, would not blame the team becayse it was xeta who wanted to leave, instead of them making a change because they felt it would make them better.
2, the statement of the ceo doesn't have to be a lie, there very well could've have been an internal talk within the team, where they told xeta that they wanted to replace him, so he might have made the request after being told he was replaced. Either way, it was the team's interest in curry that sparked the move.
3, vanity hasn't really changed his story, he has just added extra information as to why they made the change. he might have been told to say other stuff by the org, but he's said multiple times that they wanted to make the change. (in this video's comment section, for example: https://youtu.be/9eSTseyauo0)
4, I don't know about t1's status for franchising, but I'd say c9 are closer to getting there than t1. They've also said that they're commited to staying in north america, and every report about franchising in asia seem to include 1 or 2 korean teams (bo hoogland prediction) A change of regions for t1 right now doesn't seem likely. Xeta has also stated that he wants to stay in NA, doubt he would go to t1 if they're planning on changing regions xeta tweet
5, idk exactly what you wanted to say with this, but vanity has also stated that autumn didnt affect the inner workings of the team that much and that jamezirl was always the head coach, it would make sense that t1 would want to take the coach while they're in negotiations with c9 since they didn't have one and autumn would have more protagonism in t1.I'd also like to hear your view as to why xeta would prefer to jump ships mid season to a team that has nothing to play for instead of giving it his all at c9 for challengers/masters/lcq/champs, and then maybe leave the team if t1 are still there, maybe I'm missing something myself
When it comes to pr, orgs and players want to avoid confrontation, meaning that they intentionally boil things down to put themselves at blame instead of others. As you said, public statements dont always give a true situation. the best we can do is use context clues to see who gives the most believable picture. xeta and t1's statements put themselves responsible, vanity's response puts c9's roster as responsible, but c9 ceo's statements put xeta and autumn responsible. Because of the potential ramifications, c9's ceo's response would be the only actual harmful lie.
- Xeta and t1 telling the complete truth: t1 as an org offer more benefits or market to xeta/autumn, something that xeta/autumn are willing to sacrifice competition for (crazy to me considering they immigrated all the way to NA)
- vanity is telling the truth: vanity doesn't want to go to copenhagen, can also indicate a potential move to kr.
- C9 ceo is telling truth: t1 allows more benefits/market to xeta/autumn, can also indicate a potential move to kr.
It is probably a mix of all of these things with little fabrications sprinkled around. Everything boiled down, i believe that xeta and autumn initiated the trade, and you believe that the rest of c9 initiated the trade, both of which we will never confirm. We have little information, and I would put my money that each org and player wants to do what's best for them.
kumi [#11]When it comes to pr, orgs and players want to avoid confrontation, meaning that they intentionally boil things down to put themselves at blame instead of others. As you said, public statements dont always give a true situation. the best we can do is use context clues to see who gives the most believable picture. xeta and t1's statements put themselves responsible, vanity's response puts c9's roster as responsible, but c9 ceo's statements put xeta and autumn responsible. Because of the potential ramifications, c9's ceo's response would be the only actual harmful lie.
- Xeta and t1 telling the complete truth: t1 as an org offer more benefits or market to xeta/autumn, something that xeta/autumn are willing to sacrifice competition for (crazy to me considering they immigrated all the way to NA)
- vanity is telling the truth: vanity doesn't want to go to copenhagen, can also indicate a potential move to kr.
- C9 ceo is telling truth: t1 allows more benefits/market to xeta/autumn, can also indicate a potential move to kr.
It is probably a mix of all of these things with little fabrications sprinkled around. Everything boiled down, i believe that xeta and autumn initiated the trade, and you believe that the rest of c9 initiated the trade, both of which we will never confirm. We have little information, and I would put my money that each org and player wants to do what's best for them.
I get that, but again, jack's statements don't have to be a lie, maybe xeta and autumn did ask for a transfer, but maybe only after internal discussions where they were told they were told they wanted to replace them / they were no longer needed.
Vanity can also be telling his truth at the time while being wrong about the outcome, he might have believed that curry would improve them, while it's been the opposite (at least so far).
You're right about the fact that we will never know the full picture, I guess I'm more inclined to believe vanity since he's not gaining anything by partially contradicting his ceo's statements and is in fact putting himself at the center, don't see why he would lie about that.
MetaIrony [#12]i like how optic called out people for trying so hard in practice then flop in actual matches. vanity kept saying "we're good in practice" then lose when it matters, they kicked 2 people coz they already "hit ceiling" then proceeds to dive rock bottom with "upgrade" curry lmfao
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KoreanOverlord [#3]funny thing is vanity starts off by saying its pretty transparent but I guess it wasnt enough for dimwits like you
I think you should get a real job. I doubt simping for korean players pays the rent.
CowboySG [#14]C9*
i was referring to the optic podcast, marved said some teams play to win on practice and learn nothing
Victorie [#15]I think you should get a real job. I doubt simping for korean players pays the rent.
Lets do something, Ill dm you my resume, and you dm me yours, and well see who here needs to "get a job"
MetaIrony [#12]i like how optic called out people for trying so hard in practice then flop in actual matches. vanity kept saying "we're good in practice" then lose when it matters, they kicked 2 people coz they already "hit ceiling" then proceeds to dive rock bottom with "upgrade" curry lmfao
They didn't kick those 2...they requested for the exit
hellohello139 [#6]Curry is doing pretty good. They just need more time.
Roster change mid vct is never a good idea.
It doesn't matter as it's affecting the whole team comp ,if he had taken on xeta's roles that would be ok but imagine vanity on sova now it's literally terrible
GLN321 [#13]I get that, but again, jack's statements don't have to be a lie, maybe xeta and autumn did ask for a transfer, but maybe only after internal discussions where they were told they were told they wanted to replace them / they were no longer needed.
Vanity can also be telling his truth at the time while being wrong about the outcome, he might have believed that curry would improve them, while it's been the opposite (at least so far).
You're right about the fact that we will never know the full picture, I guess I'm more inclined to believe vanity since he's not gaining anything by partially contradicting his ceo's statements and is in fact putting himself at the center, don't see why he would lie about that.
yes, theyre not actually lying, but the story is a larger picture and each one is giving different reasoning behind the decision. Its a mix of all three, but what only matters is who initiated the deal and why, which we dont know
fIuid [#22]"but its already confirmed that both xeta and autumn requested to leave" while its literally not confirmed
Nutzzz [#19]They didn't kick those 2...they requested for the exit
i was referring to what vanity said, they already hit their ceiling so they had to make changes. Not that I agree, I'd rather have mitch kicked than xeta
KoreanOverlord [#17]Lets do something, Ill dm you my resume, and you dm me yours, and well see who here needs to "get a job"
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