i believe they will play in Kickoff/Cup1/Cup2, not Open Qualifiers.

ball knowledge i fw that guy heavy

the common narrative is that Riot is unfairly biased to Korea, this guy is implying that AGAIN

mfs will hate on Korea for literally anything and everything

yes

since ur pacific

open qualifiers for SEA, KR, JP, SA
teams who win will go to Kickoff, Cup 1, and Cup 2 to qualify for Masters 1, Masters 2, and Champions
there will be a certain number of partnered teams within the overall region (Pacific)
you need to have at least 3 players from the subregion you're playing in, so PRX would need 3 SEA players as they're an SEA team, etc.

yeah but i would assume regions like LATAM or Brazil will also pay less than NA for example. Riot can't possibly compensate for the global economy as well no? SEA's salary is probably low because there's little investment from the country itself (i.e. their orgs, their fans, sponsors, etc.)

I can only imagine esports regions with established scenes like EU/NA/CN/KR/JP can afford to pay good salaries, that's just reality unfortunately.

And anyway, that's what the partnered teams are for. Riot will at least provide a stipend for one SEA team, so there's that.

does this not apply to everyone in the world

i would assume sub-region

why rip SEA valorant?

get off my dick bro and use your brain, OCE is a dead league, Riot literally closed it, so they can't be in VCT. VN does not have any significant factors right now to warrant a spot in VCT either through actual achievements or investment.

face reality. the fact that you'll talk about Korean teams even though I never mentioned them just shows you're not thinking rationally and you'd rather attack me because of my flag and not my points.

i get that you're vietnamese based off your post history but you guys did not perform well in the last 3 Ascensions, why are you complaining?

berlin

more like

shit

hong kong might be the hardest server, you never know who is cheating in your games lmao

two different stages in batman's career, neither could pull off the other. they are both perfect castings

n4rrate is actually a demon, same goes for okeanos, swear i couldn't hit a shot on him
meteor t3xture are pretty decent
sinatraa derrek trent gMd oxy kaoticcc exa all roughly felt similar to me, but it's ranked ofc
net and kanpeki felt like a tier below those guys
cheatcode was ok. maybe he had an offgame or something
dasnerth was mid, think he botfragged in my game
grimm got mad at the team after he whiffed on a guy and muted everyone
flexinja is normally chill but nothing crazy. i did hit a nice clip on his stream which was sent to jarso tho
queued into a game with shahz and joona, whenever he was on the other team i always won the 1v1s between us but on our team it was joona who played better than shahz i feel, but they were both very positive players though
lakia was eh, this was back in 2021 though
and i jett diffed prod so bad he started rage running it down A and the other team surrendered

You are just salty you got ragebaited by this toto wolff guy 😭

what in the projection

Son 😭

the better decision is calling up someone from the academy but given that flashback was literally playing in that same academy team termi probably couldn't risk being called out for intentionally excluding him or revealing that flashback got sent to the academy as punishment, that plus estrella did still have tier 1 experience. so it makes sense, sort of

bro literally got ragebaited by some dude called t0t0_wolff 😭😭😭😭talking about some cannot be ragebaited 😭😭😭😭😭😭

https://www.vlr.gg/151897/argh-argh-que-got-warning-hopefully
https://www.vlr.gg/151147/rrq-ceo
https://www.vlr.gg/152019/rrq
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/xzpy27/comment/irnhtzu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

a lot of this information was leaked by reputable reporters and Riot didn't make any official statement, so it's more of an open secret than anything

we can look past estrella given that flashback up and dipped on the team in the middle of stage 1 or something and termi needed somebody to fill his spot

you're a little bit upset it seems

sounds like somebody's mad

behaviour like contract jailing your players (especially the nature of RRQ's, which also I believe involved unfair wages) is not exactly good looks for partnership, given that Riot literally stepped in and gave them a warning for doing it lmao?

Indonesia have a surprisingly high amount of sustainable and well-functioning orgs I agree. BME is the biggest one that comes to mind.
ONIC, Alter Ego, EVOS, and RRQ are all mobile gaming orgs, which explains where they get their money from. As I understand it Indonesia is a powerhouse in mobile esports.
But to my knowledge (which partially comes from SEA fans informing me about the scene) a lot of orgs in SEA will contract jail their players under bad conditions, which is not exactly fitting for partnership if Riot hasn't changed their standards.

nobody is better than Jinggg on Raze the same way nobody is better than Dambi on Neon.
Some people may have better mechanics while playing the agent but nobody has mastery over the kit like they do.

that being said, Jawgemo, Aspas, t3xture, Derke come to mind as insane Raze players

there are barely any competent orgs in APAC outside of KR/JP, GE, and PRX.

RRQ had that old controversy around contract jailing their players
Talon and BLEED we know about
TS is accused of nepotism hires, outside of that they seem to be okay
Full Sense is known to cheap out

that's just the nature of the scene. SEA is still developing as a major esports region so the orgs there are not to the same level as CN/KR. And even then CN has really shady matchfixing pervasive even in tier 1 esports like league of legends. Because esports is so unsustainable financially it's difficult for orgs to settle in regions like Asia without a significant and dedicated fanbase/culture.

Fly Quest

they are literally an american org owned by american people who are owners of an american sports team

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlyQuest

They have, they even have good T1 player

they have exactly one person in T1 and that is Autumn.

Because no T1 team (And a bad TO)

yeah, you think Riot is going to handle the costs of operating a circuit in OCE with no dedicated player ecosystem in this economy? You think they're going to guarantee financial stipends to a willing org that is confident AND competent in their ability to reliably field 5 players capable of playing at a tier 1 level despite the other setbacks? How naive are you?

Everys crimpool (Based on "geographical closeness") need a T1 team to give outlet to their player, if not the playerbase will die.

Yeah, in a perfect world where people have infinite money and you can blow loads of it on high risk endeavours like fucking artificially seeding the growth of a fucking unpromising region that cannot stand on its own. Not every country is built to have a sustainable esports ecosystem. Those regions will inevitably die. That is reality. You cannot have a global fucking esport, literally the biggest sport in the world is not sustainable in every country, i don't know what makes you think a niche esport like Valorant is capable of doing what football/soccer cannot.

Childish, immature, unrealistic mode of thought. I want all poor people to not be poor, just give them money! I want people starving in third world countries to not feel hunger anymore, just give them money! otherwise they will die!
atp it's not even like a childish fantasy you're just straight up delusional and cannot face reality

you think VN players abroad in places like NA would give up their chances of making it in a developed ecosystem to join a VN team? lol, a lot of those people feel more American than they do viet i can assure you of that.

We are talking about a Riot based game, they have at least 2 structure they trust.

what structures

VN is the only SEA country among the big 4 (TH, ID, PH, VN) to not have one...

yeah and PH's representative is one of the most unpopular and flamed orgs in tier 1. And they are the only subregion in the big 4 to not have any impact in Valorant tier 1 or tier 2

european

nobody won a champs tho, he probably knows something, they've played each other before too

if Mini can't fix Zeta nobody can

is he like racist or something what's the lore here

that's not very nice

yeah and you forgot about investment, are you currently aware that esports is INSANELY unprofitable and most of the biggest esports orgs are running in the red? To the point where even orgs in tier 1 struggle to fucking pay their players (BLEED, TALON, ULF, KOI, etc.)?
and you somehow believe that it is worth investing in unproven regions with unreliable viewership and player pools (like OCE, VN, South Africa) versus investing in regions with developed infrastructure, supportive fans, and proven talent (China, Japan, Korea)? To even go so far as to invest heavily in mobile gaming dominated regions like SEA? No single entity can change the fundamental gaming culture of an entire major region.

this is what is unrealistic.

Giving a team to OCE isn't unrealistic

it absolutely is. OCE has no orgs, OCE has barely any players, OCE lacks a dedicated player ecosystem, they don't have the viewership, shit they don't even have geographical closeness to any other region.

If you're Riot and you're paying these teams, orgs, TOs, and sometimes even players out of your own pocket at a point in time where the economy is difficult what the fuck would bring yourself to justify paying even more for regions who have demonstrated zero ability to produce sufficient returns within a reasonable timeframe, or even the innate potential for said returns?

Like I said, it's like a child wishing for world peace.

there is absolutely zero evidence to support the claim that VN can field 5 players to fill a tier 1 ready roster. zero. what they have achieved since 2020 in VCT does not come close to justifying a spot in tier 1. Shit, they probably don't even have an org capable of staying economically relevant enough to be in tier 1, especially so if we want them to replace another T1 org.

Individual SEA countries simply do not have the esports infrastructure down to a fundamental level with a high interest in mobile gaming over PC gaming. They do not have a developed esports ecosystem by country. Their biggest strength is importing talent from different countries within the region to assemble stronger teams. PRX are the best example of this, shit they even imported a Russian guy.

do you know how much money goes into developing an esports ecosystem

what you're wanting is like when a child wishes for world peace. yeah this shit would work in make believe land but real life has something called logistics, growth potential, and investment and because of those three things your dream simply cannot come true.

rrq don't even shit the bed when it matters they shit the bed before they get a chance to shit the bed when it matters

SLT and NS had probably the least amount of experience out of the teams at the Ascension they played

SPG was a premier team and had 0 real veterans outside of Persia (who barely had any experience himself) but were 13-0ing teams like Full Sense with actual ex-tier 1 players and rolling through other, more experienced teams at the tournament.

SLT were a similar case except they weren't a premier team but the second academy team, and they also beat ex-tier 1 pros in BOOM Esports at Ascension.

experience doesn't mean anything when you can steamroll everyone else who has more experience than you

sounds like you're the one talking bullshit, you don't even know how ping works. You know a lot of Pacific teams scrim CN teams? You know any team based in Korea can scrim SEA teams with 40 ping on HK? What about when the KR scrim sharing allegations came out and it was rumoured a lot of teams weren't even scrimming KR teams because of it?

i kind of dont get your second argument

third argument is fair but with that logic you want a team for every subregion which just isnt sustainable

there are lots of factors behind developing a healthy scene but it is not riot’s fault if subregions do not want to or do not put in enough effort to develop their valorant esports scene through talent development, management, infrastructure, etc. korea and china for example are willing to invest in esports and develop infrastructure but if other subregions don’t want to that is no one’s fault but their own.

SEA players also play against T1 players in soloqueue…have you not heard of HK servers? they even meet CN pros there as well. there are multiple vods of Korean players playing with people like Primmie etc lmao

so it’s just cope lol

BME and FS had more experience than SPG at Ascension 2023 and still lost. what are these excuses lol

u act like SEA teams have insane ping disadvantage to Korea when it’s 40ms to HK server lol

also the chinese teams scrim pacific teams yet they’re still bad

so why do these scrims mean so much

you guys will make excuses and cope about everything lol

what have VN done to possibly justify their own slot in tier 1 lol

and why should Korea get nerfed to two slots when 3 different Korean teams won a Masters lol

you don’t need to have experience to be good in ascension…just ask SLT and SPG/NS lol

the unfortunate truth is simply that certain regions are just not good enough yet. While there may be individuals who are talented enough for T1 there is no evidence that a team is good enough for it, especially if they have not proven themselves in Ascension for the past 3 years.

the entire point of Ascension is for tier 2 teams to prove themselves regardless of their region or lack of org or whatever. It’s a free ticket that Riot will assist you with as long as you prove you deserve it through the fairest metric of all: merit.

Are we seriously crying about not having a tier 1 slot when our tier 2 teams aren’t even hacking it?

he looks good but this is nowhere near enough to make these claims

brother it has been 3 fucking rounds

japan have never performed worse than vietnam at ascension iirc, who cares if vn is top 4 in sea? lol

and last i checked dfm did not do that bad in kickoff

doing well in sea =/= doing well in apac

and if slots should get removed based off poor performance APAC deserved to have like 1 slot in 2021

g2 beat them that same tourney btw

all good bro i just know ball like that

bro is a fake fan, how can u forget monyet