You can see that they're getting a little too cocky. gtn especially was making some very questionable plays.

That one round right after VKS got to 12 where GTN just ran through A after VKS got two picks and threw his life away to chronicle (i think?). Please don't let it come down to this.

Having a flashback to 100T vs Gambit on icebox.

He looked pretty meh on stage 3 playoffs but looked insane on LAN. Especially vs 100T. Maybe berlin was just a fluke?

Saw people saying GTN's Jett was bad. Is this performance uncommon, because he seems pretty good?

I can't. Every single round this guy continues to surprise me.

Yeah. Since NV has Yay, crashies is more of a clutch king. Would be interested to see him be able to slot into a role like crashies where him popping off isn't a win condition.

After seeing VK compete against Envy, where even though they lost looked really strong in masters 3, I had some high hopes for them and kinda counted Furia and Vikings out. Glad I was wrong because these have been some crazy games.

Yeah, wish I knew Portuguese, would be fun to watch his streams.

I know, so surprised Vikings lost to HL who looked pretty bad at masters 3.

Never really watched much BR val, but damn is this guy wholesome. So much fun to watch.

I kind of agree with this, but I don't think that a bug not being in the rules gives you carte blanche to exploit it. Like if someone found new a new bug that wasn't in the rules, does that give them carte blanche to use it?

I find it unlikely that if they have this cam in their strategies, not one person in the entire org didn't speak English or had heard about the cam, or that Jhow just happened to develop the same spot for the cam. Sure the games were small, but tons of people, myself included, still heard about it when they happened. Unlikely that an org that has been to two international events didn't know about it.

Unlikely, once you make a decision like this, you kind of have to stick with it, or every time you make a controversial call, people will just try to get them to overturn their decision.

Well I mean think about it. How would you prevent someone from putting a cam up there, would you add a box that says cypher cams can't be put up there. I can think of a really easy way to do this in UE4 (which I'm pretty sure Val is made in) but only if they have the blueprints set up a certain way. I just don't think it's fair to assume that the fix to this would be easy, or more worthwhile then assigning devs to work on new features for maps and characters.

I agree with this as well. The games commonly go over their scheduled times, I don't see why Riot couldn't have just made them replay this half tomorrow morning.

Perhaps, but in that case, I'd call it grave incompetence for VK for using the bug considering there have already been two competitive rulings on it. And again, there are a lot of scenarios in which attempting to fix bugs like this could mess with essential mechanics in the game to where trying to fix them ends up creating more problems than it solves. It's hard to say without being on the Riot end, but I don't think it's fair to jump to a conclusion like that.

I can't speak specifically for how the programming would work on Riot's end, but it's possible that the cam glitch can be involved with geometry up there that, if changed, could affect line ups or has code that functions with how hitboxes on objects work where one change could affect how any cam is placed. It's a lot easier as a game studio to just ban people that use exploits like that and ban it in pro matches as long as it doesn't literally break the game.

I agree that it's a total fuck up for the referees to not see the bug, but I don't think it's fair to blame devs.

I mean, what is the alternative, if Furia was exploiting a bug that I assume was in the list, do you just let them complete the map? I think if Riot would've post-hoc given the map to SEN, or made them replay the rounds, people would have been a whole lot more upset than just pausing mid-game. Seemed like a lose-lose for Riot there.

I think the real problem lies in the fact that Riot didn't pause the match. I remember people in twitch chat spamming that the cypher cam was illegal, but somehow riot admins didn't see it.

I personally don't find it likely that Jhow didn't know that the cam was a bug. I remember not being invested in valorant pro scene until masters berlin and I even heard about the X10 ruling. The idea that you would specifically try to put your cam there when you have to jump off stairs to do it, especially when as a pro player, it's sort of your job to find neat cams online, and that no one on the team knew about this, not any other players or the coach? I can see not knowing about the haven box jump with CR and Furia, but for the cam, I just see no way you could not know it was an exploit.

Probably, though I'm surprised that they banned Acend over Bind considering that they have a better win % on ascent and Acend is god tier at bind.

I know, but who is first ban and who is first pick? Would Acend pick first or would VK?

How is first map pick decided for lower bracket games, is it a coin toss or do they give it to higher seed? Because if Acend and VK rematch, I could see Acend picking Bind first similar to how G2 picked Icebox first when they rematched SEN.

Hopefully, even as someone who is not really a huge fan of the Brazilian teams, I really want to see Vivo Keyd beat Acend without a bug after this.

Nah bro, imagine if VK rematches against Acend and then loses. We've seen what can happen when two teams play each other twice with G2 and Sen

2 - 1s all around for Envy and Gambit with maybe the only exception being a 2 - 0 of Team Liquid over Sentinels. Didn't look too good against Furia.

I'm more worried about what would happen if Acend lose to NV and then beat VK in the rematch. So many people would lose their minds.

That's not the same cam? It's literally under the thing you can see through

The one thing that I don't understand is how do you find that cam without knowing that it is a bug? Do you think Jhow just randomly came across the same camera? Because if you look it up, you're likely to see that it is bugged.

I'm a little skeptical considering they've made competitive rulings in the past saying that it was an exploit. should get overturned if it's true though.

Yeah, I know about the bug. I'm just curious how much of a role it actually ended up playing in their win? Not saying it didn't.

To be fair, if it was the same cam, what would be the outcome? SEN lose breeze by a larger margin? I don't think it would be fair to take away the haven win from them because they (potentially) exploited a bug on Breeze.

I wish someone would do a breakdown of how much this cam actually mattered in the match. Like was it just there and helped for 2 kills, or was it imperative to them winning the map. Would suck to lose a match for a bug that didn't even help that much.

The guy made a stupid mistake. He’s playing his first tournament with his new team that just so happens to be the deciding tournament for 100T this year. I’d be surprised if he didn’t make a few stupid plays. Give the guy some time.

I’m really hoping to see Rise play some of the better EMEA teams like Acend, Gambit, and Liquid. I think some of the teamwork shown by these guys has been really impressive. Don’t know if that’s just because the quality of teams in the NA LCQ isn’t the best or if Rise is just that good.

I mean, they did. All 3 maps were incredibly close against a really strong looking rise.Definitely some things they could’ve done better, but I don’t think it calls for b0i to be dropped.

Definitely overrated, but I think Rise is also being underrated. Feels like there's still a good chance C9B could make a lower bracket run COPIUM