I agree with the reply before yours that valorant's metric of determining a goat is going to be different than other sports/esports. But forsaken is not 8-8.5/10 on a good majority of his agents though, he has standouts for both good and bad but there are more bad than good standouts.

I never said that he wasn't good, he's still a very good player, I just don't understand why people think having the deepest agent pool automatically puts him into the goat conversation or even some delusion people think it makes him the goat solely based off of that.

Your statement about Messi is just wrong, sure he's credited with very very good playmaking but more than that some of the reasons he's in the goat conversation is due to having the highest NPGA/90 and is also the greatest assister of all time.

I know this is ragebait but at least kangkang can be considered one of the greatest op players of all time 😭

I think that trophies as a metric is a terrible comparison when talking about goats as Chronicle was never the greatest on his team in any trophy run. However, the reason why he is up there for me is because he was actually one of the greatest at his role at certain times during his career. During 2023 he was one of the best support players in the world and also was one of the best smokes players in 2021, the trophies are just a cherry on top that signify why he should even be considered.

That's not what I'm talking about at all? His plays can be analyzed case by case but even then that's not enough to make someone the goat and also not what I'm talking about here. I'm just confused on why one of the main reasons people consider him the goat is because of his deep agent pool and flexibility when he has never been the greatest of a role.

I know one of his most glazed areas is that he has the deepest agent pool out of anyone but why is this one of the things people use when trying to tie him into the GOAT conversation?

Having the deepest agent pool doesn't make you the greatest of all time, plus he has never been the greatest in a certain role (duelist, sentinel, initiator, smoke) ever in his career which is one of the things we should consider when talking about GOATs. Being a jack of all trades and master of none shouldn't be an argument for the greatest of all time. If you want examples, Curry is in the goat debate in Basketball because he is the best shooter of all time, Ronaldo is also in the goat debate in Football because he's the best goal scorer of all time.

He better be, every single game GE played post PRX they lost completely lost and js running it down 80% of the time

Not again...

BRO CAN LIQUID JS WIN BRUH

Yeah, doesn't seem like a big deal but I guess rito just wants consistency in their draws.

Not delulu if that's what's going to happen

Babybay drops 80 and wins 2-0

Ofc rito small indie company messed up the draws

Keiko BETTER NOT SNITCH THE STRATS

Yo so I'm happy we won but we playing against NRG...

See that would be a problem but hopefully they just make it 2-0

I would rather they not make it to a LAN then give me false hope going 1-1 and then losing the decider match

BRO PLEASE JUST WIN AND MAKE PLAYOFFS AGAIN IM TIRED OF SEEING MY FAVORITE EMEA TEAM GET GROUPED

Give to 2 teams that lost b2b2b bo5s keke

Jefferson Davis or Asuna?

dawg what are you saying... "This is also your opinion" into "im not denying that" lmfao

What im arguing is entirely subjective and cannot be backed up by facts on either side

There are more facts on the opposite side than on your side lmfao wtf you mean "cannot be backed up by facts on either side" its just you

Not only is LOCK//IN not even called a masters but it's not even considered one either by riot.

My opinion? please explain to me how this is my opinion lmfao like be fr

You usually try and argue a point that actually has relevant information and evidence to back it up. Not only is LOCK//IN not even called a masters but it's not even considered one either by riot. The value that it gets from being "single elim" doesn't justify it to become the same value as a masters as NO ONE had to qualify for it, meaning terrible teams were free wins.

Your only argument that "single elim = (in your opinion) more difficult so it must be the same value as a masters!!!" is straight up an opinion piece and ridiculous too. If you're going to try and argue for a point using solely your own opinion without any actual factual evidence to back yourself up then I'd recommend you stop trying to argue with people on the internet.

I mean at the end of the day idk what you're trying to argue, LOCK//IN was not a masters lol, even riot acknowledges that, and it's not on the same level either.

What??? everyone was invited there was no qualifying which let teams play against teams who should have never made it to a LAN.

Why would it be valued the same? You wouldn't think masters and champs are valued the same so why would a non masters and a masters be valued the same?

Because it's not a masters? picture literally confirms it too

It's still a trophy (duh) but not to the level that people (fnc and emea fans) were constantly pushing the agenda that it was the same level as a masters trophy.

EVERYONE was glazing neon they thought he was a savior for LEV after that KRU game

Dgzin, Demon1, Valyn, Koala, and Neon all played less rounds and are still glazed

"no firepower" proceeds to list john who is top 1 in americas right now lol

avg retard chinese, go study for the gaokao bro

Let's js take a second to look back at our previous statements

First one that comes to mind is asuna, has been getting hated for the longest time.

Ahh yes so your only argument is the fact that "they didn't know" while they are looking directly at the balls lmao. That's not how random chance in drawing slots works.

Also the fact that you need to rely on being racist is crazy and just proves that you have no other argument besides it, plus you have a Canadian flag, need I remind you how you got your ass whooped at your national sport?

That's actually crazy 😭

Ohhh you right, I don't think he would be able to play at champs tho right?

Bro has the chance at winning another ascension this year and he's STILL not gonna be able to play 😭😭 they really need to change this

Ofc its a pacific fan lol

N4rrate was put onto a role which he should have never been put on considering his performance with scan and also his overheating problem and Kyu never should've wasted his time with SEN when they didn't need another scan player and should've found a better team.

nightz, born January 10 2008, is a 18-year-old VALORANT esports player who is currently playing for Cubert Academy since January 23, 2025. nightz previously played for RANKERS and their most recent match was against T1 on November 14, 2025. nightz total winnings currently stand at $4,733.33. nightz has a current rating of 1.10 from a total 3437 rounds played. Other statistics include 216.7 Average Combat Score (ACS), 141.5 Average Damage Per Round (ADR) and an 73.5% Kill, Assist, Survival & Trading (KAST) percentage. nightz also boasts a first blood success rate of 51% followed by a 38.3% headshot percentage.

Nightz - Smokes + Duelist
John - Flex + IGL
N4rrate - Scan
Cortezia - Sentinel + Smokes
Reduxx - Duelist

Get to it mr Rob

Spike and blowz right there gang 🥀

Team Brazil having no initiator is a crazy superteam

FPX actually made it to a LAN before

So we get Sscary out of retirement and then drop him? yeah biggest cap of all time how are people falling for this

He can he's 18

Remove Kyu move n4rrate to scan
Move Reduxx to duelist
Get nightz for smokes
John goes back to IGL

Nothing worse than a prx stan daughter

Yeah the b2b2b bo5s with no time in between needs to go man, idk what riot was thinking about punishing the people who actually make it far in the upper bracket and giving the people who lose early on an advantage of not having to play exhausted.