I imagine as one of the highest rated initiators at champs last year and the unfortunate situation with EG mid season, BcJ probably has more of a hunger now than ever to get back to competing on the starting squad of a roster. If he leaves EG after champs, which I think is likely, do you guys foresee him getting another shot at a franchised team? I don’t see why not, as EG’s ascension to one of the best teams in the world wasn’t necessarily due to BcJ being the problem. If so, what roster would he most likely join?
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Rokun [#5]Highly unlikely that any NA T1 org will pick him up. Is there a reason to? The current problem with the NA orgs is not an initiator but rather a decent IGL.
100t Derek played poor during the seaosn
Rokun [#5]Highly unlikely that any NA T1 org will pick him up. Is there a reason to? The current problem with the NA orgs is not an initiator but rather a decent IGL.
Derrek will most likely be replaced, and C9 may be looking for an igl change, in which case they’ll need to find another initiator
eeveeceo [#4]basically in that yay scenario
didn't manage to go into franchising with their from 2022 team
underperformed results wise on a new, worse one
now stuck scrimming in PUGS, playing in ranked and tweeting about the bad competition infrastructure
underperformed results wise on a new, worse one
tf are you waffling about he was far from underperforming and he was off role
https://www.vlr.gg/167354/team-heretics-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-alpha-ro16
https://www.vlr.gg/167359/evil-geniuses-vs-talon-esports-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-alpha-qf
https://www.vlr.gg/183777/evil-geniuses-vs-cloud9-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w1
https://www.vlr.gg/183783/evil-geniuses-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w2
literally all of his games this year, he got out because the team had clear role issues, not every bench has to be about performance individually
he used to be the most consistent eg player before they swapped him for demon1 (not even a bait go check the matches) even after swapping his role to controller but people seem to have fish-brain, props to c0m he is top 5 initiators itw rn and thats the reason why bcj couldnt stay on the roster, but i dont think bcj should stay on the bench hope if he doesnt get picked up by a franchising team, that he goes to tier 2 because tier 2 needs a lot of initiators rn and he would most likely stand out ngl.
koromast [#10]underperformed results wise on a new, worse one
tf are you waffling about he was far from underperforming and he was off role
https://www.vlr.gg/167354/team-heretics-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-alpha-ro16
https://www.vlr.gg/167359/evil-geniuses-vs-talon-esports-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-alpha-qf
https://www.vlr.gg/183777/evil-geniuses-vs-cloud9-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w1
https://www.vlr.gg/183783/evil-geniuses-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w2literally all of his games this year, he got out because the team had clear role issues, not every bench has to be about performance individually
I'm saying team underperforming, individually he was pretty good
just cause you're getting good stats and the team around you is crumbling doesn't mean that you're not the problem
look at how much better every guy on that team is with the Demon1 there
eeveeceo [#12]I'm saying team underperforming, individually he was pretty good
just cause you're getting good stats and the team around you is crumbling doesn't mean that you're not the problem
look at how much better every guy on that team is with the Demon1 there
just cause you're getting good stats and the team around you is crumbling doesn't mean that you're not the problem
bruh, he wasnt the problem, the team had role issues but it wasnt because of him they had bcj ethan and c0m with boostio playing initiator too occasionally, and you cant say the team got better because of demon1 being there because they improved progressively not like demon joined and the team got inmediately good, they still lost 2 matches with demon until they finally determined the perfect roles for every player and finally got good.
EseemedRes1180 [#15]The Eg reserve roster should participate in ascension that would be a great storyline
Buyout might not be worth when there is talent in t2
koromast [#11]he used to be the most consistent eg player before they swapped him for demon1 (not even a bait go check the matches) even after swapping his role to controller but people seem to have fish-brain, props to c0m he is top 5 initiators itw rn and thats the reason why bcj couldnt stay on the roster, but i dont think bcj should stay on the bench hope if he doesnt get picked up by a franchising team, that he goes to tier 2 because tier 2 needs a lot of initiators rn and he would most likely stand out ngl.
idk man some of his lurks were questionable but for the most part i agree
Nachtel [#19]idk man some of his lurks were questionable but for the most part i agree
That’s the igl’s fault lol, boostio’s igling was kinda shit at the start of the season
KanyeAsada [#20]That’s the igl’s fault lol, boostio’s igling was kinda shit at the start of the season
IGLs aren't always micromanaging everything every player on their team does. It's up to the individual players to proceed or deviate from a pla if they see an opportunity or issue with what they're doing--taking into consideration their team's gameplan and intent
Nachtel [#19]idk man some of his lurks were questionable but for the most part i agree
last year on xset you ever imagined bcj and lurking in the same sentence? cuz maybe forcing that guy onto doing that shit was the problem tbh.
koromast [#14]just cause you're getting good stats and the team around you is crumbling doesn't mean that you're not the problem
bruh, he wasnt the problem, the team had role issues but it wasnt because of him they had bcj ethan and c0m with boostio playing initiator too occasionally, and you cant say the team got better because of demon1 being there because they improved progressively not like demon joined and the team got inmediately good, they still lost 2 matches with demon until they finally determined the perfect roles for every player and finally got good.
bcj was NOT a good smokes player during his time on EG and that's a fact
a good flex would be able to adapt much better than he did to combat "role issues" just like how Demon1 is picking up more controller to help his team patch up holes in their agent pool
also it's ridiculous that you attribute to the team getting remarkably better out of nowhere within weeks of Demon1 being promoted to the main roster as a stroke of random luck and not the fact that he was just a better player that improved the team around him more
eeveeceo [#26]bcj was NOT a good smokes player during his time on EG and that's a fact
a good flex would be able to adapt much better than he did to combat "role issues" just like how Demon1 is picking up more controller to help his team patch up holes in their agent pool
also it's ridiculous that you attribute to the team getting remarkably better out of nowhere within weeks of Demon1 being promoted to the main roster as a stroke of random luck and not the fact that he was just a better player that improved the team around him more
Fr, and tbf, when demon1 joined, the team got immediately much better like 1/2 weeks he was in lmao
The_Cleg [#27]Fr, and tbf, when demon1 joined, the team got immediately much better like 1/2 weeks he was in lmao
yeah and EG had the full offseason and post LOCKIN period to sort their roles and still didn't
either EG management is bugging or someone on that roster was a problem and it sure wasn't the four other dudes balling out right now in the upper finals of champs
Thriceistoocold [#6]100t Derek played poor during the seaosn
Could be but would they want to break chemistry though on 100T
The_Cleg [#27]Fr, and tbf, when demon1 joined, the team got immediately much better like 1/2 weeks he was in lmao
Exactly why they should keep him on initiator. He’s a world class initiator
KanyeAsada [#30]Exactly why they should keep him on initiator. He’s a world class initiator
He's a great init but I wouldn't give him much more than top 10 I'm his role
In 2022 (his prime), all these players were better than him/on his tier:
Shao
Crashies
Sacy
Leo
Chronicle
Sheydos
Zest
d4v41
Mistic
Enzo
eeveeceo [#26]bcj was NOT a good smokes player during his time on EG and that's a fact
a good flex would be able to adapt much better than he did to combat "role issues" just like how Demon1 is picking up more controller to help his team patch up holes in their agent pool
also it's ridiculous that you attribute to the team getting remarkably better out of nowhere within weeks of Demon1 being promoted to the main roster as a stroke of random luck and not the fact that he was just a better player that improved the team around him more
bcj was NOT a good smokes player during his time on EG and that's a fact
a good flex would be able to adapt much better than he did to combat "role issues" just like how Demon1 is picking up more controller to help his team patch up holes in their agent pool
1st, i never said he was a good smoker, but he was still the best on his team at that time, 2nd ofc he didnt adapted because the roles are different af, and comparing him to demon1 who played smoker the last year for a long time its braindead.
3rd, when did i stated that eg improved because of a MIRACLE CINDERELLA MAGIC WAND, i literally told you the roles suited better with demon but that isnt bcj´s fault at all demon played controller before at the end of the day and was also a better jett than jawgemo so its a 2 in 1, also idk why tf you said the team improved weeks after LMAO, bcj got out on the 2nd match of regular phase and eg didnt got THIS GOOD until they passed to playoffs by a miracle mibr upset over 100t
koromast [#33]bcj was NOT a good smokes player during his time on EG and that's a fact
a good flex would be able to adapt much better than he did to combat "role issues" just like how Demon1 is picking up more controller to help his team patch up holes in their agent pool1st, i never said he was a good smoker, but he was still the best on his team at that time, 2nd ofc he didnt adapted because the roles are different af, and comparing him to demon1 who played smoker the last year for a long time its braindead.
3rd, when did i stated that eg improved because of a MIRACLE CINDERELLA MAGIC WAND, i literally told you the roles suited better with demon but that isnt bcj´s fault at all demon played controller before at the end of the day and was also a better jett than jawgemo so its a 2 in 1, also idk why tf you said the team improved weeks after LMAO, bcj got out on the 2nd match of regular phase and eg didnt got THIS GOOD until they passed to playoffs by a miracle mibr upset over 100t
ok so basically you admitted that
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he wasn't a good controller, but still got dropped instead of the two other people at the same role
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was inflexible and not what the team needed despite the time he was given and
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the team didn't improve in the months they had after rostermania and lock-in to make positive changes, when EG started winning games a match or two after the Demon1 promotion, even if they didn't get god-mod until playoffs they were still a much more competitive team
sounds like cope to me
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