People talking like there's 2 good teams and everyone else is bad LOL. FNC are playing at a higher level than i've seen anyone play, NAVI are a top 4 team itw and we haven't even seen their potential. TL are looking better and better, FUT have an amazing roster and have very high potential, Giants are a team that can beat pretty much any team itw on their day, BBL and Vitality are solid teams that aren't an easy game for anyone. TH, KOI and KC are trash tho
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babysasuke [#4]allat + SHITMEA will forever be overrated
2 teams region and one is slumping
no shit Fnatic looks dominant, they're playing in pisslow
Ratio lil bro
chloeburbank [#5]on paper TL should be the best team itw but they keep throwing
"keep throwing"
When all they do is throw, maybe they just aren't good
chloeburbank [#5]on paper TL should be the best team itw but they keep throwing
They aren’t even that good on paper there are so many better teams
They have 2 players that didn’t qualify to an international last year, and their highest placement was 8th last year
chloeburbank [#5]on paper TL should be the best team itw but they keep throwing
Maybe not the best itw but they have potential to be maybe top 4 (?)
babysasuke [#4]allat + SHITMEA will forever be overrated
2 teams region and one is slumping
no shit Fnatic looks dominant, they're playing in pisslow
thats why emea have masters; champions ; lockin also ....ur fucking pusssy clan put in your ASSSSSSS
babysasuke [#7]"keep throwing"
When all they do is throw, maybe they just aren't good
CLEARS FAZE no doubt
inlucid [#13]EMEA will always be a good region, they have the right culture and mindset
Grown ass man twerking on Tik Tok isnt culture.
RockawayKidz [#9]Fnatic destory Navi in CSGO AND VAL one team region Sen clears
sen is literally dying to qualify even having 3 champion players from last yr :: u better remain ;;ok keep shit talking LENTILULS
Vasudev [#16]CLEARS FAZE no doubt
BABYBAY is what people think Layf is
Put lulquid in NA VCL and the only team they beat is G2
babysasuke [#17]Grown ass man twerking on Tik Tok isnt culture.
bro u have death wish or what ;;; mfs hope u die soon
dapada [#19]worse than americas how? enlighten me
Americas is the most competitive division that’s how
Vasudev [#21]sen is literally dying to qualify even having 3 champion players from last yr :: u better remain ;;ok keep shit talking LENTILULS
Liquid gonna lose to everyone in playoffs, GO SEN
babysasuke [#22]BABYBAY is what people think Layf is
Put lulquid in NA VCL and the only team they beat is G2
what rank currently FAZE IS ??NA VCL not even top their ::LAZE CLAN
RockawayKidz [#27]Liquid gonna lose to everyone in playoffs, GO SEN
ok we will see after confirming even whether sen qualifies even for playoffs
Vasudev [#24]bro u have death wish or what ;;; mfs hope u die soon
bro is wishing death upon someone over VLR💀
Vasudev [#29]what rank currently FAZE IS ??NA VCL not even top their ::LAZE CLAN
FaZe is winning Ascension
Once BABYBAY and supamen are back on the main stage is over for these fraudulent partnership teams that bought their way into the league
Vasudev [#24]bro u have death wish or what ;;; mfs hope u die soon
Brother calm down its not that deep
dapada [#19]worse than americas how? enlighten me
All of the Americas teams except KRÜ and MIBR clear EMEA except for NaVi and FNC
Asuna_Yuuki [#8]They aren’t even that good on paper there are so many better teams
They have 2 players that didn’t qualify to an international last year, and their highest placement was 8th last year
these 2 players were playing as a no org team with no bootcamps on 70 ping. rewatch their matches in lcq/quals and you will notice how it took them extra 0.1s to start shooting when they were holding angles, now compare to how they play on LAN. Chron was getting aim diffed by way worse players than him online, but on lan he's absolutely owning, same for nats.
blazennn [#31]bro is wishing death upon someone over VLR💀
mfs hope u die soon
bro is mfs, self-snitching at its finest 💀
Yessirskiiii [#10]Maybe not the best itw but they have potential to be maybe top 4 (?)
-soulcas +sheydos and they are contending for top 1. with soulcas top 5-8 is the ceiling
RockawayKidz [#27]Liquid gonna lose to everyone in playoffs, GO SEN
How's your Dephh takes going kkkkkkkk
babysasuke [#32]FaZe is winning Ascension
Once BABYBAY and supamen are back on the main stage is over for these fraudulent partnership teams that bought their way into the league
sorry pal Faze losing to MxM this week
babysasuke [#37]mfs hope u die soon
bro is mfs, self-snitching at its finest 💀
Babysucker u made it people praying for your death every day now
babysasuke [#32]FaZe is winning Ascension
Once BABYBAY and supamen are back on the main stage is over for these fraudulent partnership teams that bought their way into the league
then speak after they win ::::::(((((((((((((((((((((((((idiot ,))) don't shit brag :: this habit is not good otherwise u and faze clan forever will be pussy only
Itsover [#38]-soulcas +sheydos and they are contending for top 1. with soulcas top 5-8 is the ceiling
W take
blazennn [#26]Americas is the most competitive division that’s how
based on what?
worst team in americas 0-8
worst team in emea 2-6
Vasudev [#14]thats why emea have masters; champions ; lockin also ....ur fucking pusssy clan put in your ASSSSSSS
oh my bad, i hadn't considered that!
Dokka [#40]sorry pal Faze losing to MxM this week
POISED knows flyuh's game too well, bouta put him down
cringewig and moistcringikal in the mud
KCorp with a good coaching staff and better structure could beat anyone on their day next season I think. The aim is there, all of them are insane aimers, ScreaM could be the best aimer the game has ever seen, sh1n is a beast aimer, Nivera also but his OPing even better and xms may make some shitty mistakes but his aim is also incredebly good and his sheriff is very good. They need a good IGL that can also aim better than ze1sh and complete new coaching staff, cause since newzera left they looked very good. I believe in them next season
babysasuke [#37]mfs hope u die soon
bro is mfs, self-snitching at its finest 💀
MEET me after FAZE CLANS RESULTs. till then shit keep shitbraging :: on any other form or to someone else
babysasuke [#48]POISED knows flyuh's game too well, bouta put him down
cringewig and moistcringikal in the mud
the poised knows flyuhs game too well in question
https://www.vlr.gg/169010/faze-clan-vs-moist-moguls-challengers-league-north-america-w5
feaN [#49]KCorp with a good coaching staff and better structure could beat anyone on their day next season I think. The aim is there, all of them are insane aimers, ScreaM could be the best aimer the game has ever seen, sh1n is a beast aimer, Nivera also but his OPing even better and xms may make some shitty mistakes but his aim is also incredebly good and his sheriff is very good. They need a good IGL that can also aim better than ze1sh and complete new coaching staff, cause since newzera left they looked very good. I believe in them next season
KC are ass right now but they have a good core to build around (ScreaM, Sh1n and Nivera). XMS is very inconsistent and Ze1sh has been an amazing stand in but they do need an IGL like Enzo once the transfer window opens
Dokka [#51]the poised knows flyuhs game too well in question
https://www.vlr.gg/169010/faze-clan-vs-moist-moguls-challengers-league-north-america-w5
thats what us professionals refer to as an unlucky game
wont happen twice
Asuna_Yuuki [#34]All of the Americas teams except KRÜ and MIBR clear EMEA except for NaVi and FNC
Top 5 EMEA as of now - FNC NAVI LIQUID GIANTS FUT
Top 5 Americas as of now - LOUD C9 NRG 100T FURIA
LOCK//IN results:
Giants (4th) lost to NRG (3rd)
FUT (5th) lost to 100T (4th)
I say there were pretty close no? especially FUT vs 100T game
Vasudev [#50]MEET me after FAZE CLANS RESULTs. till then shit keep shitbraging :: on any other form or to someone else
Can someone put the muzzle back on their dog?
lil bro following me around and barking
babysasuke [#54]thats what us professionals refer to as an unlucky game
wont happen twice
"us professionals" 😭
babysasuke [#54]thats what us professionals refer to as an unlucky game
wont happen twice
also your track record for predictions is in the dirt, you really need to start making favorable preds
dapada [#45]based on what?
worst team in americas 0-8
worst team in emea 2-6
record says absolutely nothing, yes are worst team may be worse than yours but that speaks nothing on how competitive the WHOLE league is.
With the Americas being very close and anyone being able to beat each other like Lev getting crushed by C9 or NRG destroying LOUD this weekend. Meanwhile you have FNC and Navi clearly owning every other team you can legitimately see the skill gap between the teams. While BBL, FUT or Giants have flashes they are no where near being as good as even the 5th ranked America team (if anything KRU being 0-8 proves my point they are so behind everyone else in Americas they can’t win meanwhile EU teams trading wins for funsies)
dapada [#56]Top 5 EMEA as of now - FNC NAVI LIQUID GIANTS FUT
Top 5 Americas as of now - LOUD C9 NRG 100T FURIALOCK//IN results:
Giants (4th) lost to NRG (3rd)
FUT (5th) lost to 100T (4th)I say there were pretty close no? especially FUT vs 100T game
bro what’s up with emea and Lock IN results KEKW
Actual mickey mouse tournament that means little to nothing now
Dokka [#60]also your track record for predictions is in the dirt, you really need to start making favorable preds
Fluke-in and flukeship league
Real results will start coming in post-Masters (unless NA or LOUD win Masters, then that's not a fluke)
babysasuke [#57]Can someone put the muzzle back on their dog?
lil bro following me around and barking
SHIT BRAGGERS ; get some sleep man literally being online whole day on VLR shitbragging : get some job and fucking just stop being smart ..still meet me when faze wins ascension .. msg me ok bye bye
babysasuke [#63]Fluke-in and flukeship league
Real results will start coming in post-Masters (unless NA or LOUD win Masters, then that's not a fluke)
Imagine for a bit, what happens if FNATIC win masters.
What will you say then
babysasuke [#46]oh my bad, i hadn't considered that!
Who tf is this new liquid fan, he’s a bit wack huh
zardinez [#67]Who tf is this new liquid fan, he’s a bit wack huh
bro has been spamming "shit bragging" and "put it in your ass" for an hour straight
kinda funny ngl 💀
blazennn [#61]record says absolutely nothing, yes are worst team may be worse than yours but that speaks nothing on how competitive the WHOLE league is.
With the Americas being very close and anyone being able to beat each other like Lev getting crushed by C9 or NRG destroying LOUD this weekend. Meanwhile you have FNC and Navi clearly owning every other team you can legitimately see the skill gap between the teams. While BBL, FUT or Giants have flashes they are no where near being as good as even the 5th ranked America team (if anything KRU being 0-8 proves my point they are so behind everyone else in Americas they can’t win meanwhile EU teams trading wins for funsies)
Navi is not owning every team their games are always close
Vasudev [#64]SHIT BRAGGERS ; get some sleep man literally being online whole day on VLR shitbragging : get some job and fucking just stop being smart ..still meet me when faze wins ascension .. msg me ok bye bye
go see a psychiatrist
Valgod [#71]Navi is not owning every team their games are always close
because NAVI look lost ASF some games but bail themselves out with aim
blazennn [#61]record says absolutely nothing, yes are worst team may be worse than yours but that speaks nothing on how competitive the WHOLE league is.
With the Americas being very close and anyone being able to beat each other like Lev getting crushed by C9 or NRG destroying LOUD this weekend. Meanwhile you have FNC and Navi clearly owning every other team you can legitimately see the skill gap between the teams. While BBL, FUT or Giants have flashes they are no where near being as good as even the 5th ranked America team (if anything KRU being 0-8 proves my point they are so behind everyone else in Americas they can’t win meanwhile EU teams trading wins for funsies)
LEV isn't even that good, they were known to be the best pistol round team and ascent team (iirc), but that's about it. So LEV getting crushed by C9 is not that big of a deal especially after the dominant performance C9 has been showing these past few weeks.
You can argue FNC and NAVI owning every other team, but isn''t it the same as LOUD and C9? they're owning everybody with the exception of NRG vs LOUD.
Cresp [#2]EG wins all good
EG IS finished against EMEA i.e so keep SHIT BRAGING NA community ;;at least t2 NA teams fans need to have zip on mouth ;; they keep on shit braging..
blazennn [#62]bro what’s up with emea and Lock IN results KEKW
Actual mickey mouse tournament that means little to nothing now
NA brain
Its the only international tournament after franchising, so of course I'm going to use LOCK//IN as an example
dapada [#56]Top 5 EMEA as of now - FNC NAVI LIQUID GIANTS FUT
Top 5 Americas as of now - LOUD C9 NRG 100T FURIALOCK//IN results:
Giants (4th) lost to NRG (3rd)
FUT (5th) lost to 100T (4th)I say there were pretty close no? especially FUT vs 100T game
I have zero doubts that the current FUT 2-1s 100T
dapada [#56]Top 5 EMEA as of now - FNC NAVI LIQUID GIANTS FUT
Top 5 Americas as of now - LOUD C9 NRG 100T FURIALOCK//IN results:
Giants (4th) lost to NRG (3rd)
FUT (5th) lost to 100T (4th)I say there were pretty close no? especially FUT vs 100T game
At LOCK IN only FNC and NaVi were able to take down the Americas teams.
Other than those two, Americas were 6-0 against EMEA which shows that Americas has more depth.
Valgod [#78]At the end of the day emea have more trophies than every other region combined
full support to THE TRUE FACT. Now Ican peacefully leave Mf NA fans SHIT braging ;;; babysasuke for LAZE clan
Valgod [#78]At the end of the day emea have more trophies than every other region combined
Cned-Fluke
FTX-Fluke(got exposed in champs)
Fraudnatic-Fluke(that too in a mickey mouse tourney💀💀)
Only gamb0t deserved their win
dapada [#77]NA brain
Its the only international tournament after franchising, so of course I'm going to use LOCK//IN as an example
its a mickey mouse 32 team single elim 2 bracket tournament with no prep and no meta
Cope and seethe you actual braindead, there's a reason SHITMEA hasnt won a real international event since last July (and its never been Flukenatic) and LOUD are the defending Champions
L region with a massive talent deficit, too many teams in tier 1 make make enough competitive roster and no tier 2 scene
Yessirskiiii [#79]I have zero doubts that the current FUT 2-1s 100T
I feel like 100t is looking better than LOCK IN tho. At LOCK IN Cryo was playing badly and 100t were putting him on Raze.
Since then, Cryo has been back on comfort roles and have fixed their map pool.
100t > Fut
Asuna_Yuuki [#84]I feel like 100t is looking better than LOCK IN tho. At LOCK IN Cryo was playing badly and 100t were putting him on Raze.
Since then, Cryo has been back on comfort roles and have fixed their map pool.
100t > Fut
Lol you're just the most biased user on this site and also you haven't even watched FUT i guarantee. 100T just look decent. FUT objectively look better than 100T
Pewdiepie [#82]Cned-Fluke
FTX-Fluke(got exposed in champs)
Fraudnatic-Fluke(that too in a mickey mouse tourney💀💀)
Only gamb0t deserved their win
You surviving an abortion was a fluke
dapada [#74]LEV isn't even that good, they were known to be the best pistol round team and ascent team (iirc), but that's about it. So LEV getting crushed by C9 is not that big of a deal especially after the dominant performance C9 has been showing these past few weeks.
You can argue FNC and NAVI owning every other team, but isn''t it the same as LOUD and C9? they're owning everybody with the exception of NRG vs LOUD.
no they aren’t owning
LOUD has dropped 7 Maps compared to FNC ( 1 ) NAVI (4) You could make the argument for C9 but that’s the exception. Your arguing for the two best teams yet don’t argue about the teams that matter. If only one team can take a map off the best team in your region than theirs a pretty big skill gap. (Not to mention look at your bottom 3 KC, KOI and TH legitimately some of the worst franchised teams no way you can argue they are more competitive than teams in America)
Yessirskiiii [#85]Lol you're just the most biased user on this site and also you haven't even watched FUT i guarantee. 100T just look decent. FUT objectively look better than 100T
I could agree with FUT but I even see FUT placing higher than Giants.
blazennn [#90]I could agree with FUT but I even see FUT placing higher than Giants.
Agreed. FUT look better than Giants. Nukkye and Cloud are elite tho
idk man I think it's easy to fall under the illusion that Giants have improved their gameplay because they started off the split playing against Fnatic and Navi first, and played against progressively worse and worse teams.
After watching them lose to Team heretics running a YORU comp, playing with their coach that's been inactive for 2 years, I can confidently say that Giants have a set skill ceiling. They'll be better than everyone below them in the current standings, and occasionally lose a game to them (I do believe that the heretics game was just an off-day), but they'll never ever be able to beat Liquid, Navi, or Fnatic, and the gap between 3rd EMEA and 4th is really high.
In my personal opinion, with how things are in EMEA rn, NRG singlehandedly clears everyone below Fnatic, NAVI, and TL.
Team Liquid is on an island; there is a gap between them and everyone below them, but there is also a gap between them and NAVI/Fnatic.
I don't know with certainty whether NRG can beat them or not as they currently are (my personal opinion says yes but that isn't based on anything concrete so I won't claim that they can), but we know for sure that LOUD is capable of beating Fnatic if they don't throw an 11-4 lead, which should never happen, like ever (props to Fnatic for pulling that off btw), and we know for sure that Cloud9 is better than every single Americas team right now, the only uncertain matchup being LOUD
So: if Loud and C9 are on generally the same level (I want to say NRG too but again I can't back that off a single series against loud, while C9 has proved themselves by going 8-1 against everyone and almost taking a close series 1-2 against loud with only 2 weeks of practice with their new roster), and Loud is in the same tier as Fnatic and NAVI, then both C9 and LOUD can dumpster Team Liquid.
The way I see it, EMEA only has 3 good teams while the rest of its teams are uncompetitive with them.
The reason Americas is getting so much ype is because the top 4 teams has changed at least thrice since the season began, and even 100T can beat Furia who did better against Fnatic than NAVI did.
LOUD C9 and NRG are the undisputed kings of Americas league right now, but everyone in Americas is so close that it's possible for EG to beat them, Furia to beat them, hell even 100T. Imo The rest of Amer
The way I see it, EMEA only has 3 good teams while the rest of its teams are uncompetitive with them.
The top 3 of EMEA are equal to the top 3 of Americas, but the rest of americas is easily better than the rest of EMEA
Some think that having dominant team or two means that rest of the region is weak. That's how it has always been in EMEA. Fnatic and FPX owned EMEA last year, but did that make teams like Guild, Liquid, G2(fluke), M3C weak globally? No it didn't they were still Masters playoffs level teams. While NA outside of OpTic and at times XSET/The Guard were just beating each other left and right and did that make the region stronger than EMEA? No it didn't. Having bunch of B tier teams beating each other doesn't mean shit when they have to face those S tier teams. Top half EMEA teams last year and before were way more consistent regionally compared to NA for example while teams like LOUD were just farming their weaker regions.
Fnatic didn't lose a single map in Lock In only dropping 2 after going 2-0 up in the finals(winning vs LOUD Ascent as well). You really think this team wouldn't be undeafeated in any region when even LOUD managed to do that until last game?
Fnatic is the best team before proven otherwise while NaVi would be competitive and possibly even favored in some against LOUD, C9 and NRG. Any Americas team outside of those 3 are completely beatable by other top half EMEA teams. Teams like Giants, Liquid etc wouldn't be underdogs vs EG, 100T, FURIA type teams.
patuj [#95]Some think that having dominant team or two means that rest of the region is weak. That's how it has always been in EMEA. Fnatic and FPX owned EMEA last year, but did that make teams like Guild, Liquid, G2(fluke), M3C weak globally? No it didn't they were still Masters playoffs level teams. While NA outside of OpTic and at times XSET/The Guard were just beating each other left and right and did that make the region stronger than EMEA? No it didn't. Having bunch of B tier teams beating each other doesn't mean shit when they have to face those S tier teams. Top half EMEA teams last year and before were way more consistent regionally compared to NA for example while teams like LOUD were just farming their weaker regions.
Fnatic didn't lose a single map in Lock In only dropping 2 after going 2-0 up in the finals(winning vs LOUD Ascent as well). You really think this team wouldn't be undeafeated in any region when even LOUD managed to do that until last game?
Fnatic is the best team before proven otherwise while NaVi would be competitive and possibly even favored in some against LOUD, C9 and NRG. Any Americas team outside of those 3 are completely beatable by other top half EMEA teams. Teams like Giants, Liquid etc wouldn't be underdogs vs EG, 100T, FURIA type teams.
W
babysasuke [#83]its a mickey mouse 32 team single elim 2 bracket tournament with no prep and no meta
Cope and seethe you actual braindead, there's a reason SHITMEA hasnt won a real international event since last July (and its never been Flukenatic) and LOUD are the defending Champions
L region with a massive talent deficit, too many teams in tier 1 make make enough competitive roster and no tier 2 scene
call it a mickey mouse tournament all you want, it doesn't change the fact that it was the only tournament after franchising
Vasudev [#75]EG IS finished against EMEA i.e so keep SHIT BRAGING NA community ;;at least t2 NA teams fans need to have zip on mouth ;; they keep on shit braging..
EG has 100% winrate against EMEA
Checkmate
blazennn [#88]no they aren’t owning
LOUD has dropped 7 Maps compared to FNC ( 1 ) NAVI (4) You could make the argument for C9 but that’s the exception. Your arguing for the two best teams yet don’t argue about the teams that matter. If only one team can take a map off the best team in your region than theirs a pretty big skill gap. (Not to mention look at your bottom 3 KC, KOI and TH legitimately some of the worst franchised teams no way you can argue they are more competitive than teams in America)
in the end they won all of their matches with the exception of NRG🤦🏻♂️
ill just comeback to this after tokyo then, see ya
Nachtel [#94]idk man I think it's easy to fall under the illusion that Giants have improved their gameplay because they started off the split playing against Fnatic and Navi first, and played against progressively worse and worse teams.
After watching them lose to Team heretics running a YORU comp, playing with their coach that's been inactive for 2 years, I can confidently say that Giants have a set skill ceiling. They'll be better than everyone below them in the current standings, and occasionally lose a game to them (I do believe that the heretics game was just an off-day), but they'll never ever be able to beat Liquid, Navi, or Fnatic, and the gap between 3rd EMEA and 4th is really high.
In my personal opinion, with how things are in EMEA rn, NRG singlehandedly clears everyone below Fnatic, NAVI, and TL.
Team Liquid is on an island; there is a gap between them and everyone below them, but there is also a gap between them and NAVI/Fnatic.
I don't know with certainty whether NRG can beat them or not as they currently are (my personal opinion says yes but that isn't based on anything concrete so I won't claim that they can), but we know for sure that LOUD is capable of beating Fnatic if they don't throw an 11-4 lead, which should never happen, like ever (props to Fnatic for pulling that off btw), and we know for sure that Cloud9 is better than every single Americas team right now, the only uncertain matchup being LOUD
So: if Loud and C9 are on generally the same level (I want to say NRG too but again I can't back that off a single series against loud, while C9 has proved themselves by going 8-1 against everyone and almost taking a close series 1-2 against loud with only 2 weeks of practice with their new roster), and Loud is in the same tier as Fnatic and NAVI, then both C9 and LOUD can dumpster Team Liquid.
The way I see it, EMEA only has 3 good teams while the rest of its teams are uncompetitive with them.
The reason Americas is getting so much ype is because the top 4 teams has changed at least thrice since the season began, and even 100T can beat Furia who did better against Fnatic than NAVI did.
LOUD C9 and NRG are the undisputed kings of Americas league right now, but everyone in Americas is so close that it's possible for EG to beat them, Furia to beat them, hell even 100T. Imo The rest of AmerThe way I see it, EMEA only has 3 good teams while the rest of its teams are uncompetitive with them.
The top 3 of EMEA are equal to the top 3 of Americas, but the rest of americas is easily better than the rest of EMEA
EMEA only has 3 good teams? FNC and NAVI are top 4. TL are elite on paper and can be a top 4 if they reach their potential. FUT are absolutely an amazing team that you underrate and Giants have been looking worse recently, but they're one of those teams can 100% beat any team in the world on their day. Like i said in the post also BBL aren't an easy game for anyone and Vitality have been falling off but the same applies to them imo
Yessirskiiii [#100]EMEA only has 3 good teams? FNC and NAVI are top 4. TL are elite on paper and can be a top 4 if they reach their potential. FUT are absolutely an amazing team that you underrate and Giants have been looking worse recently, but they're one of those teams can 100% beat any team in the world on their day. Like i said in the post also BBL aren't an easy game for anyone and Vitality have been falling off but the same applies to them imo
Mark my words, at Tokyo, any of the 3 americas seeds will beat the 3rd and 4th EMEA seeds, Navi will lose to Cloud9 or NRG, and the only one that will remain in the top 4 will be Fnatic.
kirito5133 [#18]Emea is biggest turn off to me because how your third best team at that time in leaderboard lose to a assistant coach...
turn off 😳
dapada [#99]in the end they won all of their matches with the exception of NRG🤦🏻♂️
ill just comeback to this after tokyo then, see ya
that’s not the argument and clearly your missing the whole point. But sure I will be back brotha good day
Nachtel [#101]Mark my words, at Tokyo, any of the 3 americas seeds will beat the 3rd and 4th EMEA seeds, Navi will lose to Cloud9 or NRG, and the only one that will remain in the top 4 will be Fnatic.
NAVI ain't losing to C9 or NRG guarantee you. Also FUT wins against 100T or Furia
babysasuke [#83]its a mickey mouse 32 team single elim 2 bracket tournament with no prep and no meta
Cope and seethe you actual braindead, there's a reason SHITMEA hasnt won a real international event since last July (and its never been Flukenatic) and LOUD are the defending Champions
L region with a massive talent deficit, too many teams in tier 1 make make enough competitive roster and no tier 2 scene
last july? remind me when was the last time NA got a trophy
babysasuke [#4]allat + SHITMEA will forever be overrated
2 teams region and one is slumping
no shit Fnatic looks dominant, they're playing in pisslow
Fnatic would 9-0 Americas too. Especially with the way Loud has been playing.
mrGoudas [#107]last july? remind me when was the last time NA got a trophy
pick and choose the 1 point you think you can defend 💀 thank GOD I wasn't born in Europe
Optic was in Champions Finals with another Americas representative while Shitnatic was on a short flight home, and won Iceland before SHITMEA got their last win that mattered
hekzy [#108]Fnatic would 9-0 Americas too. Especially with the way Loud has been playing.
Fnatic hasn't had to play a Tier 1 team 2 months
LOUD in their form against NRG still shitstomps Flukenatic
So does NRG, C9, EG, LEV, and Furia
I hope one day they lift import restrictions for EMEA partnership league so one of your hopeless orgs can pick up an NA VCL team and you can all mald when they make top 3 in your "Tier 1" league every split without breaking a sweat
But hey, at least Fnatic looked good against KOI! stupid fr
patuj [#95]Some think that having dominant team or two means that rest of the region is weak. That's how it has always been in EMEA. Fnatic and FPX owned EMEA last year, but did that make teams like Guild, Liquid, G2(fluke), M3C weak globally? No it didn't they were still Masters playoffs level teams. While NA outside of OpTic and at times XSET/The Guard were just beating each other left and right and did that make the region stronger than EMEA? No it didn't. Having bunch of B tier teams beating each other doesn't mean shit when they have to face those S tier teams. Top half EMEA teams last year and before were way more consistent regionally compared to NA for example while teams like LOUD were just farming their weaker regions.
Fnatic didn't lose a single map in Lock In only dropping 2 after going 2-0 up in the finals(winning vs LOUD Ascent as well). You really think this team wouldn't be undeafeated in any region when even LOUD managed to do that until last game?
Fnatic is the best team before proven otherwise while NaVi would be competitive and possibly even favored in some against LOUD, C9 and NRG. Any Americas team outside of those 3 are completely beatable by other top half EMEA teams. Teams like Giants, Liquid etc wouldn't be underdogs vs EG, 100T, FURIA type teams.
dont waste your breath its always the same thing
NA fans overrating their minor region --> emea winning tournaments --> Na fans hiding until the next tournament --> repeat
dapada [#56]Top 5 EMEA as of now - FNC NAVI LIQUID GIANTS FUT
Top 5 Americas as of now - LOUD C9 NRG 100T FURIALOCK//IN results:
Giants (4th) lost to NRG (3rd)
FUT (5th) lost to 100T (4th)I say there were pretty close no? especially FUT vs 100T game
Mortadelo [#113]NA fans been saying this shit for a while. Sure, to me sounds like justifying LOUD and NRG looking shaky with a "higher competition" excuse
agreed, KOI TH KC TL GIA and VIT look like they belong in Tier 1 competition for sure
EMEA brain
babysasuke [#114]agreed, KOI TH KC TL GIA and VIT look like they belong in Tier 1 competition for sure
EMEA brain
Get used to talking in between events because you're gonna be gone during the tournaments lol
Sprouts [#116]TH and KC playing with coaches
KOI and GIA losing to coaches
BBL being a one map team that the “most tactical” region still hasn’t caught on to yet (how are teams still not banning Ascent against them?)
FNC only dropping a map when they had a subsuper underrated lol
When fnatic drops maps everyone shits on fnatic
when fnatic doesnt drop maps everyone shits on the region
mrGoudas [#117]When fnatic drops maps everyone shits on fnatic
when fnatic doesnt drop maps everyone shits on the region
that’s called the VS/drx effect
babysasuke [#69]bro has been spamming "shit bragging" and "put it in your ass" for an hour straight
kinda funny ngl 💀
put that piece of shi in his place sakura
Cresp [#98]EG has 100% winrate against EMEA
Checkmate
Gonna stay like that for a while… EG ain’t qualifying it allat
dapada [#45]based on what?
worst team in americas 0-8
worst team in emea 2-6
Teams in EMEA are losing to other teams that are subbing in assisstant coaches. It says a lot
Sprouts [#118]that’s called the VS/drx effect
If FNC or DRX look shaky they're shit
If NRG and LOUD look shaky it's the region who is very competitive
Valgod [#78]At the end of the day emea have more trophies than every other region combined
1 more trophy than Americas
keener1600 [#122]Teams in EMEA are losing to other teams that are subbing in assisstant coaches. It says a lot
and the third best americas team was losing to mibr
Asuna_Yuuki [#8]They aren’t even that good on paper there are so many better teams
They have 2 players that didn’t qualify to an international last year, and their highest placement was 8th last year
fnatic doomed cuz chronicle was on that team too. holy shit y'all are actually braindead when you aren't baiting
dapada [#45]based on what?
worst team in americas 0-8
worst team in emea 2-6
wow your bottom 3 teams are more competitive than americas
babysasuke [#114]agreed, KOI TH KC TL GIA and VIT look like they belong in Tier 1 competition for sure
EMEA brain
TL shit on every Americas team bar Loud and NRG
dapada [#97]call it a mickey mouse tournament all you want, it doesn't change the fact that it was the only tournament after franchising
them calling LOCK IN a mickey mouse tourney says how high on copium they are lol
babysasuke [#109]pick and choose the 1 point you think you can defend 💀 thank GOD I wasn't born in Europe
Optic was in Champions Finals with another Americas representative while Shitnatic was on a short flight home, and won Iceland before SHITMEA got their last win that mattered
yep we gotta thank god we dont have these irrational braindead people born in here
babysasuke [#110]Fnatic hasn't had to play a Tier 1 team 2 months
LOUD in their form against NRG still shitstomps Flukenatic
So does NRG, C9, EG, LEV, and Furia
I hope one day they lift import restrictions for EMEA partnership league so one of your hopeless orgs can pick up an NA VCL team and you can all mald when they make top 3 in your "Tier 1" league every split without breaking a sweat
But hey, at least Fnatic looked good against KOI! stupid fr
Loud has been looking worse, just like Furia and Lev. I'm not even gonna comment on EG (faze tier team (really dogshit)).
hell_on_earth [#127]and the third best americas team was losing to mibr
Clearly a fluke win against a team that was experimenting heavily. NRG's roles were all over the place. Also the fact that MIBR is -83 in round differential shows that bad teams are punished in Americas unlike EMEA.
Vasudev [#75]EG IS finished against EMEA i.e so keep SHIT BRAGING NA community ;;at least t2 NA teams fans need to have zip on mouth ;; they keep on shit braging..
u mad?
BairyHalls [#134]them calling LOCK IN a mickey mouse tourney says how high on copium they are lol
expected from babysasuke tbh
Mortadelo [#123]If FNC or DRX look shaky they're shit
If NRG and LOUD look shaky it's the region who is very competitive
Wortadelo
Asuna_Yuuki [#80]At LOCK IN only FNC and NaVi were able to take down the Americas teams.
Other than those two, Americas were 6-0 against EMEA which shows that Americas has more depth.
Problem is you're only looking at the results, so let me break it down to you:
NRG (3rd) - KOI (9th)
NRG (3rd) - Giants (4th)
LOUD (1st) - KC (10th)
EG (6th) - TH (8th)
LEV (7th) - VIT (7th) <- same rank
100T (4th) - FUT (5th)
See the difference between the two? They were up against stronger ranked team of Americas League with the exception of LEV vs VIT (but let's not forget that VIT has no s-tier LAN experience)
I'd say they were pretty close in term of depth, Americas is slightly better though. But it's crazy to think every other team besides KRU and MIBR clears EMEA unless you're coping because FNATIC won LOCK//IN🫢
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#139]not a single emea team is good. fnc overhyped shitters and navi is a t2 team. The rest of the region is worse than t3 or collegiate in any other region.
cry
patuj [#95]Some think that having dominant team or two means that rest of the region is weak. That's how it has always been in EMEA. Fnatic and FPX owned EMEA last year, but did that make teams like Guild, Liquid, G2(fluke), M3C weak globally? No it didn't they were still Masters playoffs level teams. While NA outside of OpTic and at times XSET/The Guard were just beating each other left and right and did that make the region stronger than EMEA? No it didn't. Having bunch of B tier teams beating each other doesn't mean shit when they have to face those S tier teams. Top half EMEA teams last year and before were way more consistent regionally compared to NA for example while teams like LOUD were just farming their weaker regions.
Fnatic didn't lose a single map in Lock In only dropping 2 after going 2-0 up in the finals(winning vs LOUD Ascent as well). You really think this team wouldn't be undeafeated in any region when even LOUD managed to do that until last game?
Fnatic is the best team before proven otherwise while NaVi would be competitive and possibly even favored in some against LOUD, C9 and NRG. Any Americas team outside of those 3 are completely beatable by other top half EMEA teams. Teams like Giants, Liquid etc wouldn't be underdogs vs EG, 100T, FURIA type teams.
Here you go, perfectly described. B-Tier teams is the best way to describe all the teams like 100T, LEV, FURIA and SEN.
babysasuke [#114]agreed, KOI TH KC TL GIA and VIT look like they belong in Tier 1 competition for sure
EMEA brain
TL looks pretty strong
For the other Americas teams, you also have KRU, 100T, FURIA, MIBR, SEN shitting the bed as well, just because the gap is smaller in the NA because FNC is just absolutely different right now doesn't mean your region doesn't have their share of mid teams. There's also major contenders in both regions, no duh bro. FNC and NAVI just have a huge gap under them that's making the scale seem much bigger, but there are def underrated teams in the EMEA region, esp the Turkish teams. IMO the raw talent in EMEA is way higher but they play very braindead and have weak callers and leadership rely on heroics, that's why FNC is so scary since they really have both.
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