gonna have to wait for a few more games imo for both of them, madrid was definitely a nerves issue imo so I hope to see N4RRATE and miniboo succeed in the future
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gonna have to wait for a few more games imo for both of them, madrid was definitely a nerves issue imo so I hope to see N4RRATE and miniboo succeed in the future
u used like so it would be a simile
deadass you think mwzera is better than zekken jaw and leaf?
be so fr if you think he's better than any of the players mentioned.
Zekken
Jawgemo
Aspas
keznit
leaf
mwzera
would be the list as of now imo, mwzera needs more games and hopefully nozwer can set him up to win the matches that would put him in the same league as those players.
there was some stuff that came out with Frost (FURIA's old coach and old 100T coach, current Talon coach) saying he had the biggest ego hes ever seen and mwzera and dgzin had beef last year which is why he was kicked off
probably will, especially with the stipend along with player contracts going down
That's fair, although I will say, I do not think yoru would have continued to receive play had the rework not happened. It wasn't a case like viper, where she was good the entire time but no one used her correctly, he just literally had no options besides the barebones of his kit.
I disagree, I mean character reworks are meant to change how the agents are played, not necessarily to “rework” their abilities.
The way yoru was utilized pre-patch was very stale and stiff because he had very little options with his utility; when he ulted it was almost only for info; his decoy really had no effect on the game; and his TP was always going to be used or not used. Keep in mind, pre-patch yoru couldn’t get rid of a TP and use another one, he had to wait for the TP to go out first.
Yoru’s changes allowed him to take more space and more selfishly; his ult lets him use his util and lets him scout the entire site before choosing what fight to take, along with being able to fake TP’s and use his decoy as a means to entry; as the decoy gives him good information if shot, and most people will shoot the first thing that walks by, or at least look at it while yoru peeks.
Yoru’s gameplay style changed and he gained so many more options that I would count it as a rework, other games like OW2 with sombra, pretty much the entirety of LoL, and apex make reworks like this too. This is why chamber’s update wasn’t necessarily a rework because he fundamentally plays the same, yoru fundamentally changed for the better, which is a buff, but it still is a rework.
that's what I'm saying. It's like putting suygetsu on initiator or something; sure he can probably play it well, but I don't think that's what a team signing him would want or need him for, and to be honest, they would benefit a lot more with him playing to his maximum.
I mean I guess it's the choice between world class initiator with a T4 smokes player or T2 initiator with a T1 smokes player
I really only know Shao for his initiator gameplay, and for the longest time I thought he was the main initiator for the NAVI/FPX core, but recently I have noticed that he's been playing less and less of sova and for the last few games involving fade for NAVI, Shao has been placed on smokes. Is this the right move for this team? I feel like for a player that is known for being such a strong initiator player, that having him on that role would make more sense right? Or has this always been a thing?
yes, there are only like 10 meta agents, that's 41% of the agent roster dude
his decoy is no where near the same in essence, his tp got changed, his ult got buffed
(Yoru is no longer revealed to enemies
Yoru is able to cast all utility while in Dimensional Drift
Enemies can hear Yoru’s footsteps
Nearsighted is removed
Unequip delay time is increased slightly
Cast delay added when casting Dimensional Drift, preventing the invulnerability frame on cast.)
this is the most an agent has been changed within one patch to this day besides maybe the chamber nerf
Bren is an APAC caster then because he lives in Korea
I don't think you understand the nuances to the game that inhibit the ability of an IGL, and because of that I will try my best to explain why I think your position on FNS' IGLing capability is disingenuous and largely incorrect.
The main points I will specify in my argument is generally inclusive of 4 main things:
-IGL's are NOT always emotional leaders
-The BEST IGL's have always had star talent on their rosters
-IGL's cannot fix underperformance within the game itself
-A team "gelling" is the majority of a coach and management issue
IGL's are not always emotional leaders: I think that you misinterpret what the "leading" aspect of an IGL is; an IGL is meant to call the strats of a game, mid round a game, and instill the structure that their coach or (depending on the IGL) the structure that they want within the game. This is the bare minimum, of course, and while a traditional leader or team captain would generally be the hype man or the "glue guy", this is not always the case and most of the time it isn't.
Take JohnQT and Ange1, both IGL's that are heavily reliant on outside structure that helps them lead their team. JohnQT has Zellsis, Ange1 has/had Ardiis. These players are your people people; the players that "bring everyone on the same page". When a team is built with this structure, it is meant to relieve active duties from the leader and promote stronger team play. Teams like Copenhagen FPX, LA PRX and EG, and Madrid SEN are teams that are known for being well coordinated; being good teams that are reliant on things such as ability combinations and team play throughout the midround in order to win games.
FNS was generally this player for OPTIC afaik, being the centerpiece from which the calling was built off, and while one may believe that this meant that he relied on a lot of firepower from his players, what I believe he actually was strong with was the veteran experience of each player. FNS credits all of the OPTIC members for having provided ample strength within his midrounding and providing strong comms throughout his games; and having their CS experience with them, each of the players were able to play under immense pressure, as shown by their 2022 run.
What an IGL thrives under does not make them lesser of an IGL; Saadhak works best with rookies with strong mechanics; Boaster loves midrounding into or with set plays; Boostio played for team fights across the map; Gambit's Redgar relied heavily on their strong protocols and lurks; and for FNS, it was working off a veteran team and setting them up to be the best players they could be. All of these IGL's lack in something, but they are all considered the best IGL's to touch VALORANT.
The best IGL's have always had star talent on their rosters: I mean this is pretty self explanatory. Every IGL relies on their players being in insane form; Saadhak relied/relies heavily on the fragging of Less, Cauanzin (and previously), Aspas to set up the team for wins, and has shown to want to lean into the strengths of these fraggers in order to make them the best players they can be (putting Aspas on perma jett, putting less on perma viper, putting cauanzin on perma breach). This follows suit to other teams: Boostio and EG, PRX as a whole, Gambit with nAts and Chronicle, Acend with cNed and Zeek, hell even Reykjavik 2021 with TenZ and Sick being insane fraggers. I don't understand how FNS should be knocked from being one of the best because he "need[ed] the firepower of peak yay and peak marved". You could say the same about any of these teams and their star players.
IGL's cannot fix underperformance within the game itself: This is a very specific point that I want to make, but I think it is important. Many people see a player underperforming and can immediately think of many reasons as to WHY a player would be underperforming. Pressure? Maybe they haven't ever touched a LAN before, maybe the team is just underprepared, maybe their supports aren't helping them enough, but an IGL can't focus on that in the middle of the round. Nothing FNS can say, besides putting ardiis in advantageous positions (which he would often start the round in) can change this issue, nor should it be FNS' issue in the first place. The structure of Optic and NRG have long been known by this community: methodical gameplay with strong communication into a strong site hit or read from FNS. This structure is built off of the individual and the information a player can gather within a game, which is something that not a lot of people realize. This clearly did not fit Ardiis' gameplay style, and while that is not his fault, it also is not FNS' fault; and Ardiis not being able to play within their system does not make FNS a bad IGL.
A team "gelling" is mostly a coach and management issue: I also believe this one is pretty straight forward, but a team should not be having issues "gelling" at the end of the season when they had plenty of preparation time. The fact that this is a slight against FNS is crazy to me, because Ardiis had plenty of time on NRG and if their coordination was off, that is what the coach is there for. Team coordination can't be fixed mid game, that is something coaches and staff work on with their players, that is what scrims are meant for; and if they feel Ardiis was not a fit for the team, that is management's issue.
I think calling FNS a bad IGL because he lost to BilliBilli is deceptive at best; that team was falling apart and there was clearly not much that was able to be done by the players or staff. They lost, and yet every player that was on that team is still exceptional and worthy of praise, while also being some of the most decorated players that have touched this game.
Saadhak isn’t a good IGL now because he lost to KRU one time a season ago guys, this is despicable. Can not believe that my IGL can’t manipulate the entire team’s brainwaves to make them work together.
Shut the FUCK up.
Shut the FUCK up.
Shut the FUCK up.
I will not take Jaccob Whiteaker slander.
speaking objectively, God is typically depicted as a male, most likely due to men creating the Bible and previous Abrahamic scriptures.
Hydron sucks so he was dropped. The first roster had a LOT of weird shit going on with the players. Rebuilding around UV and Pelican is probably for the best
I agree that 100T has a high potential, and so does NRG, but in the same way, neither were really over SEN at the time (could be in the future and I definitely think they will be contenders for internationals at the rate they’re improving). I will say though that demon1 and Ethan were found scrumming way before the announcement that they joined lol
yeah, at the time 100T had around 2 weeks (-LxT time period) and they also “almost beat SEN”
SAD got pulverized too??
I'm just saying that people have off games and just because she has kills doesn't mean shes "playing for stats"
Chat crashies was stat padding no?
dont worry, ill be back on september 27...
Zellsis becomes the first person to win 30 majors in a row (sentinels fired the rest of the roster, zellsis 1v5s)
you're fine bro, just ignore him he's just fucking with you for no reason. Have a good day
literally how, if it bothers you so much just use the correct 1 syllable word homie
vanity saw this post LMAO
https://twitter.com/Vanityxz/status/1772774068682698810
How do NRG not check? PRX are also all shooters besides monyet? I mean yeah if you have good players on a team, you’ll win. Not exactly a revelation imo
they have some fun games usually, especially in GC champs
does it not immediately start again after ascension? that was the proposed schedule right?
they're definitely better than DFM and probably BLEED (unless zest magically makes BLEED a good team), their competition is ZETA, TS, Talon, and RRQ, who they have come up short against previously
I trust they can at least put up a good showing
at least T2 will still be playing tho so there are going to be actual games going on
off games happen, reduxx is a very good player fam
it's been the same game strategically for a decade now
yeah I agree, those are the only players I could really see in the "goat" category tho
Mb with the deathmaker glaze, the games I’ve seen with him he looked pretty good. Maybe coaching would help with that?
That’s fair, but GE is going to be stuck in a cycle of making international teams over and over again hoping it works and it just isn’t tbh. They need to stick with something and make minor changes this year.
Dude I don't know where everyone gets all this information on demon1 from, I watch his streams whenever he actually remembers his password and he never says anything about himself.
Unfortunate for me then, that's interesting I didn't know that. I assume he doesn't have citizenship anymore since he's not counted as an import in the global contract database, which sucks
in his defense, a lot of people that are children of immigrants or moved to the USA at a young age are 50/50 on whether or not they know their parent language
if so, I would probably kick one of nats or suygetsu for an igl since they both fill the same niche, while something and demon1 can flex onto other roles
he doesn't speak the language afaik, at least that's what I remember him saying on stream. Could be tripping
Tarik
BabyJ
Dasnerth
Zombs
Sinatraa
Coach: ShahZam
Knight's Monthly never saw what hit em...
he doesn't, you need an igl so probably redgar since he's 10000% in russian
honestly s0m oxy xeppaa neT flyuh? not sure who else you would put on the team besides s0m oxy and xeppaa, not a lot of options for c9, maybe if they could get FNS
SEN NRG 100T
KC NAVI FUT
GENG RRQ T1
EDG FPX TEC/TE (I dont really care)
lowkey ardiis has been losing mad weight, proud of him for that one
never done that and wasn't planning on it; I only named 4 teams per region lmao
Just wanted to make a fun thread, not that big of a deal
because they have probably the most accomplished NA players in one team and everyone was shooting besides Ethan. I think I misworded it originally, I think their structure was solid but it was malleable and it definitely wasn't adaptable against higher level teams, I think that had they played LOUD on sunset or any of the other higher level teams, they would have also lost that map.
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